Destiny’s End-Game Raid Will ‘Demand of You Things You’ve Never Been Asked To Do In a Shooter Before’

Bungie means business when it comes to Destiny‘s end game activities.

According to Bungie’s Luke Smith, Destiny’s end game “begins as soon as you see the way the story ends.” Starting at around level 20, you’ll be sent back into the wild after Destiny’s main story line wraps up and presented with a couple of new options, including Raids and Nightfall activities.

Raids are “extremely crafted,” six-player challenges that are only open to attempt with friends, Smith told IGN. Bungie won’t support public matchmaking because an activity like the Vault of Glass is not something you’ll want to attempt with complete strangers and a lack of communication. You’ll need to get comfortable working with some of your most trustworthy allies for a couple hours in order to best what the Raid has to throw at you.

The activity is going to take you and your group of five buddies into a place that you’ve never been,” says Smith. “A place that you will return to frequently. And [it will] demand of you things you’ve never even really been asked to do in a shooter before.”

Raiding in a shooter is a bit of a new thing, so Bungie is keen on leveraging what the studio has learned from games like EverQuest and World of Warcraft while injecting challenges and activities better suited to an action game.

“One of the things we certainly haven’t talked about is that [raids aren’t] an activity that we expect you to get through the first time through,” Smith added.

“Unlike a bunch of the other activities in Destiny, where you begin the activity – like let’s say you pick the level-22 Strike playlist – everything in that activity is going to be level 22. It’s going to be consistent. If you’re level 26, you’re going to have some relationship to it. You’re going to be more powerful than that activity. In a raid, when the raid begins at level 25, it’s not where it ends. Like part of going the raid is the journey of gearing up; building your arsenal to react to the situations that it’s going to ask you to go through.”

Smith unveiled that, like Strikes, a Raid in Destiny will culminate in an epic boss battle, as is traditionally the case in classic MMO Raids.

“I think that we’ve given people a taste in Strikes of what the bosses are and what they can do,” he said. “The raid bosses are different: they’re still big monsters, much like what you’re going to see, they’re still scary, but they have a bunch of abilities that are unlike anything you’ve really experienced in a shooter before. And I don’t say that to be a douchebag and I don’t say it because it’s a cool bullet point, I say it because when we were building this thing there was nothing that any of us could go home to play to try and learn from. I mean we were – as we were going – building and learning and failing along the way to find cool mechanics and occasionally we’d succeed.”

If it’s not Raids that will keep out busy, Destiny will offer a number of noteworthy daily and weekly challenges.

“Nightfall activities come in two flavors: daily and weekly. They have extremely exotic rewards,” Smith Explained.

“We want to have activities that occupy the range of challenge for you. So if you’re a fresh level 20 you can play the Nightfall daily activity at level 22 and it’s going to be hard. It’s going to be challenging. But you can get through it, maybe. Maybe if you have some friends. The weekly Nightfall activity is something that pushes all the way out as far as the leveling allows you to go in Destiny. So it ends up occupying at the far end of the spectrum: this extremely high gameplay investment challenge. Like it’s both the toughest guys we can throw at you that’s going to require the best gear, and it’s going to have a bunch of modifiers on it that make it even harder.”

Long story short, it sounds like there’ll be plenty to keep you busy after hitting that level 20 milestone. Hopefully, you’ll have a handful of willing friends to take a long for the ride. If not, you’ve got a couple of hours to make some during your adventures.

Destiny launches on Xbox One, PlayStation 4, Xbox 360, and PlayStation 3 on September 9.

  • yardis

    Well considering the fact that I don’t play multiplayer with other people, I’m not going to be doing any of these missions.

    • Captain KillerPanda


      • yardis


    • That guy you might know

      So you’re just going to buy the game, play through the story once and then be done with it?

      Everywhere you go in this game other players are around. How are you even going to play at all then?

      • yardis

        You do not understand. I play multiplayer, which means I play with other people. I don’t play with people on my friends list. I like to play solo.

        • That guy you might know

          Oh okay, it just wasn’t stated clearly enough.

          Pretty sure they’ll allow you to play with random people as well.

          • yardis

            They said for the end game you can only play with friends.

            • Enochrewt

              Cripes make some friends then and test your social boundries. You want to be a loner before you have even played the game with others, which is non-sensical. Especially if you want them to change the game to make up for some social hangup.

            • yardis

              It has nothing to do with not having friends or testing my social boundaries. I simply like to play multiplayer games alone. When I play the game I don’t like distractions or anyone talking to me. Lastly, the people I use to play with don’t have a PS4. I also never said anything about them changing the game. I simply said I won’t be playing these missions because I like to play solo. Is it really that horrible for me to want to sit alone and play video games without anyone disturbing me. The only game I like to play with people are sports games and fighting games.

            • Trevor Squires

              I like to play games solo as well bro. It ruins the experience sometimes with other people, but if you know the raid is friends and people only, including strikes then those you should still play cause those are a lot of fun with or without friends.

            • Firm Like Mutton

              Fair enough, but would you perhaps consider this game isn’t for you given your MP preferences? It seems like you’ll be missing out on the meatiest portion of the game. (I don’t say this to be contentious, I’m just asking).

            • yardis

              I buy games to play multiplayer PvP. I enjoyed Destiny’s PvP, so I don’t see why this game wouldn’t be for me. It’s not like this game requires me to play with people the whole time. I’m sure I can play though the majority of the game solo. All I care about is the story and PvP multiplayer. You can play the story alone and if I need help I can always ask someone in the crucible or someone on my friends list.

            • Firm Like Mutton

              Check my post above, you are the master of your own destiny (see what I do there). Good solution anyhow 🙂

      • Guest

        And yes I play the story once and move to multiplayer.

    • Mike

      Games like these make me want to play with friends and I’m anti social half the time.

  • Captain KillerPanda

    Cool stuff.

  • MegaMan3k

    Days after their hype train bites them in the ass, they’re back at it? Bold.

    • Enochrewt

      You read too much into this stuff, and if you don’t like the game you should really not click on the story.

  • J4MES

    I read the interview on IGN about Raids and there is no matchmaking for the mode. You have to have 5 friends on the game in sync to play at the same time. Not even a group of 5 players will work. I think this is massively stupid from Bungie for a game they are promoting so heavily on the social aspect. They’ve taken the convenience out of it and with people who don’t have much time on their hands to play; it’ll be extremely difficult to get a match going when you need 5 people from your friends list online at the same time available to play.

    Matchmaking would fill any gaps you have plus give you the opportunity to meet new players in the game. These quotes don’t ring too good:-

    ”Bungie isn’t supporting matchmaking for them; the developers don’t want them to be played by disparate groups of strangers”“Raids are a really big bet for us,” he explains. “It’s a bit of a risk. Because the activity requires you to have a group of five other friends to play with.”

    • Enochrewt

      So you make some friends in the Tower and go on Raids. I don’t really see the problem, admittedly I haven’t played WoW or Everquest in a long time, but there was no “matchmaking” for a raid, you organized it by being social in a safe town. That being said PUG groups suck, I wouldn’t want to be stuck going into a playlist that essentially creates a PUG. That would be the easiest way to do the raid, and then you’d find a lot less people willing to put a good group together.

      • lukazo

        in wow you had raid and dungeon group finders. why does bungie need to single out those who dont have freinds, or freinds that play just to do a simple raid ?????

        yeh people could go making random freinds, but its just effort thats not needed.

      • XFistsClenchedX

        You don’t just “make friends” in Destiny. There is no way to do that. There is no voice chat or text chat. You have to invite random people into your party and hope they aren’t douchebags and are actually good at the game.

    • Luis Mitis

      i stopped reading at “IGN”.

      • theplantain

        have you been to Gaymespot in the last few months?

    • Firm Like Mutton

      I think the folks that are following this train of thought could be blowing this a little out of proportion. My friends and I are all family men without a ton of time on our hands, we organize parties in advance regardless of what game we’re playing. I know this is just one example of people who have precious little time, but my point is if you want to make something happen, you do.

      As far as the social aspect is concerned, Bungie haven’t geared this title just to solidify relationships within your existing friends list, the whole game designed to be social with the entire community. I’ve picked up a bunch of friends from the beta too, they’ll make great bench warmers and second stringers when we don’t happen to have the core crew about. I’m not in the habit of befriending randoms, but this is just another way in which Destiny is unique.

      Lastly (and I’m not saying this to be a dick, similar sentiments echoed in a post below), this game simply isn’t going to be for everyone, I expect Bungie and Activision anticipate this, and though the cite raids and nightfall as a huge risk, its also clearly deemed to be an acceptable one. Let’s not forget, if its evident that this stance begins to fracture the community it can always be reversed, or perhaps an additional “trader” could appear in the tower where you can queue to raid with randoms.

      • sugarush22

        I have 3 friends I play games with online and none of them are on at the same time. None of them have a ps4 or xboxone. WoWs raid finder was the best thing that ever happened for me, cause my schedule has always been so fucked up, I could never find a guild to raid with. It would be nice to have a way of saying that Im LFG in game for a raid. Doesnt have to Match Make me but something would be nice. Just have to wait and see what website will pop up so I can find a group at 3am.

    • BigRuss730

      Will this game appeal to someone like me, very much a solo gamer?

      • J4MES

        Definitely the story but you may not enjoy the MP aspect and the Raids require 5 other friends at the same time in sync to even play. The single player aspect which is the story also can include other players but you can happily play on your own just doing that. Probably worth the money for the single player but MP and Co-op wont float your boat IMO.

  • Joshua C

    at the risk of sounding desperate, I guess I need more friends!! I only have 2 that’ll be playing on my system of choice so far. Too broke for next gen, so I’m stuck on PS3 for the time being. The rest of my friends list has moved on to PS4.
    It’s really disappointing that they aren’t considering matchmaking for this. I came across some great match-made players during the strike available in the Beta, and we were able to tear it up pretty successfully. Granted, there were also some teabagging ‘tards as well, but that’s the risk you run playing with randoms.

    • Mike

      I heard the PS3 and 360 version work just fine.

    • Trevor Squires

      I found a lot of good friends during the Destiny Beta. When the full game launches you should send a party invite to some people in a strike mission or during explore. If it goes well from there then your all set and they will probably have more friends as well.

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  • Mike

    Wow I need friends.

    • Ryan Schulze

      This is where I think my age (41) is running into an issue with the new direction of gaming. I’m a couch co-op gamer. Online? Not nearly as much.

  • Leon

    A game not for me. Thank you for explaining Bungie.

  • Witblitz

    I don’t have 4 friends on the PS4, now what? Give us proximity chat and open to public. It will come to this.

  • StrongIsland

    This game needs a better way to communicate with other players in game. We need a world chat box so you we can shout and find groups to run with. It would make things so much easier.