Norms For Next Gen: Dedicated Servers For Major Titles, With P2P Connection As A Back-up

It’s understandable small games that die quickly in the multiplayer department wouldn’t have any dedicated servers, but why are we on the 9th Call of Duty game (Ghost) and still getting peer-to-peer connections?

I like my Call of Duty from time to time, but I swear the lag in this game can get frustrating sometimes. I’m not gonna go into a whole “COD vs. BF” argument here, but the guys over at EA and DICE had the right idea when they added dedicated servers for us console players. And I don’t even mean to pick on Activision, but despite making all that money from DLC off their monster franchise, would it kill them to add some dedicated servers?

There are several reasons why dedicated servers would be beneficial for us gamers. For starters, matchmaking would function extremely fast. No more waiting around as the game finds and selects a host with the best connection of the player pool. The load speed is faster too since it’s all being directed to the server rather than having players connection sent out to the host. And then there’s the near elimination of LAG!! We all hate it, and we know exactly what kind of BS can happen with it. Players skip around the maps, annoying hacks make their way online,  party members get stuck during matchmaking, and random disconnection from the host occurs at the worst moments.

However, dedicated servers aren’t always the best option. Despite having their many advantages, going back to play old titles such as Rainbow Six Vegas is still a blessing to know that we can play online. I know, I know, “c’mon James, why would anyone want to play these old games?” but you guys would be surprised. Remember when the Xbox Live Servers shut down for the original Xbox? There were countless people who were still playing Halo 2 and other dedicated server-based titles and to know that we’ll never get to play some of these titles online again is a bit heart breaking. And while I despise Call of Duty multiplayer for the lack of dedicated servers, I do applaud them for the fact that I can jump back to the title that really brought the COD series back to life (COD4) without ever worrying about it shutting down, since it’s peer-to-peer connection.

Heck, just this past weekend I bought MAG from GameStop for only $1, thinking I was getting a bargain only to find out that the servers had been or will be shutting down very soon. Meaning I will have a useless game in my collection that’ll have no resell value whatsoever. Of course expecting peer-to-peer with this game would be absolutely disastrous considering it supports 256 players at one time, but it’s still sad I won’t be able to play the title.

Sure,

I went into this editorial saying that dedicated servers need to be in every game next generation, but perhaps that alone won’t suffice for future play time. Perhaps it’s best if we went with a “hybrid” system, one that allows us to play using dedicated servers, but at the same time has the option of peer-to-peer available whenever servers are either having maintenance done on them or when a game online shuts down. It’s not a bad idea, and would certainly help keep the flow of playing whenever a service does maintenance.

So, what do you guys think? Should developers lean towards the dedicated servers model, continue with p2p, or perhaps go with the hybrid?

Next week, we’ll be talking about online clan system.

  • http://Www.pselectronicsrepair.com/ Lrishjake

    All you have to do is look at PC.. dedicated servers are the way to go.

  • Alex | FamousIsLIVE

    I primarily play COD and have to say that dedicated servers are almost a necessity at this point. Each game is getting worse with connections (somehow) and many people have stopped playing the franchise due to the connection issues.

    • Chicken Dick

      I stopped playing for more reasons than just lag.

      • Chicken Dick

        im stupid

    • http://www.techmansworld.com/ Michael Hazell

      Maybe with the introduction of dedicated servers I will stop getting knifed when I put like 6 rounds into someone! I swear Treyarch needs to fix the knifing in Black Ops 2. Normal knife lunges suck and aren’t reliable, and when knifing is right it is crazy op.

      Look, when I spray you with the SCAR-H at close range and already have a 2 shot advantage, I should win that gunfight.

      • Alex | FamousIsLIVE

        Knifing in Black Ops 2 is a complete joke, but I don’t think that’s a connection issue haha. Just the game.

        And as for the shots with the SCAR it depends on the gun the enemy is using. If they are using a gun like the scorpion with a high rate of fire, I would have to give the advantage to the scorpion haha.

    • Sensou-Ookami

      Yeah, huge difference in quality of play between CoD and BF3. I never have lag in BF3, but then try to have a good time playing CoD, nope, lag lag lag, migration! So frustrating.

      • killzoner

        I experience both lag playing COD and BF. The lag still matters or is a factor using dedicated servers because the connection still depends on your relative distance to the servers.

  • Mohammad Nassir

    $$ CoD wants $$ .. so they won’t spend $$ to make servers !! this issue won’t be solved

    • Mitch

      They can probably make some money with letting us rent servers, or they lose less.

      • RoderickVI

        Only the Xbox one is getting dedicated servers on all games, sorry

        • Chad Eugene Rash

          You’re an idiot. Sony also has cloud servers. Matter of fact Sony announced there’s first but got ignored by the backlash Microsoft got & is still getting. Fanboys disliking facts in 3, 2, 1.

          • EndangeredQuake

            Ya but I believe sony won’t implement theirs untion 2014-2015, Xbox’s is at launch.

          • Mr. Thuggins

            …zero.

            That’s the number of f*cks anybody gives about your comment where you call out imaginary fanboys while acting like a fanboy.

          • Joey Marcelo Asturias

            Sony has only announced Gaikai, while it is a cloud “service”, the only “new” thing it allows is to play your games before they finish downloading and it won’t be available until late 2014…

            • Dirtknap

              Cloud is an incredibly obtuse term, the tech behind can be utilized in plethora of different applications. Gaikai in its current state is a games streaming service, however, Sony can change that approach by leverage it in whatever way they choose. With substantial base infrastructure already in place, I guarantee we’ll see similar services to Live, that run on “the power of the cloud” for PS4.

              Neither company is heading into the next gen with their eyes closed, they just have very different approaches on how they go about their respective pre-release sales pitch.

            • paulinacio

              Agreed, I think Sony is currently thinking about now and Microsoft is kinda looking too far ahead into the future and most people are not ready for it. Cloud Computing will be extremely bandwidth heavy and I have seen some articles explaining how Cloud Computing isn’t all what it is being cracked up to be with all the CONS that will come with it

            • DanDustEmOff

              The articles that you have read are based on several assumtions. If you have a 1.5mb download and a ping of <100ms to the nearest server, you will be absolutely fine to use the Azure cloud for what MS initially have planned.

            • Ανώνυμος

              LeL. What Gaikai actually does is let you play games ON the cloud, WITHOUT downloading the game. It streams. What you are talking about is a different service, that is offered by SONY and MS

          • DanDustEmOff

            You don’t seem to understand the difference between what MS and Sony are using their servers for.

            Sony intends to use their servers to run old titles. MS are using the Azure Cloud to run and support new titles.

            I understand that it is subject to change but as it stands they both have very different applications for cloud tech.

            • Ανώνυμος

              What Gaikai is, is a service that allows you to play your games, old or new, FROM the cloud, without downloading anything. What a MS Cloud does, or they are claiming it can do, is it can process and multiply X1′s performance, which is a quite pile of horsesh!t to be quite frank. Both services stream, and thats what they re going to do. Between the two I would go for Gaikai

            • DanDustEmOff

              Horse shit? What do you think Gaikai is doing when they stream a game to your console? Its the same principal.

              The Cloud is capable of simple things like game saves or streaming the entire game and everything in between.

              There’s a tech demo on the net of a Ouya running the PC version of Boarderlands 2 on max spec. To claim that MS Idea is horse shit is simply an uninformed claim.

              Also Sony have only confirmed Gaikai to run old titles and have said nothing about new titles. Its also not even going to be available at launch so I would choose MS at this point.

          • betosobreira

            What a idiot. Cloud servers = processing / dedicated servers = it hosts online gameplay

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/nickdenton9 Nicka

          …and the Master System II had Alex the kid built in – what’s your point?

        • paulinacio

          I doubt all game will have Dedicated servers on Xbox One due to the fact that Microsoft wont hand them out for free to Developers and I guarantee you Microsoft will charge a pretty penny that most developers wont be willing to pay

          • XFistsClenchedX

            Actually, Respawn is on record saying that the reason they were able to make Titanfall was because MS was offering the Azure service for cheap.

          • betosobreira

            They will have a huge increase of servers. They have the servers but they will want money for this of course.

          • http://www.facebook.com/datkidfromawendaw Clay Johnson

            Actually cloud based server owning is far cheaper in the long term because all they have to do is buy the server, that’s it. Microsoft handles any maintenance as the server actually belongs to them as bring part of Azure, Microsoft’s proprietary cloud-BASED platform. I say cloud based because cloud in this context simply refers to the internet itself. The goal of Azure, as I have explained several times here, is simplifying IT management and minimize up-front and ongoing expenses. Azure was designed to facilitate the management of scalable Web applications over the Internet. The datacenters Microsoft already has in several areas around the planet (thise places I assume are the select countries) that will have Xbox Live connectivity at launch are where they are hosted, managed ans maintained by Microsoft. Devs won’t have to pay a penny for any of that

            Windows Azure can be used to create, distribute and upgrade Web applications without the need to maintain expensive, often underutilized resources onsite

      • Ryan Schulze

        They’ve made billions without offering dedicated servers. There is your “good” reason. Sadly, I don’t expect them to offer it. Still if Ghosts finds a way to really embrace Next Gen and still offer local multiplayer splitscreen, I’ll probably buy it for PS4.

    • dieger

      well so does EA *more some would say* why do they have dedicated servers? i just think the current engine can’t handle it or they are just plain lazy

  • Mohammad Nassir

    $$ CoD wants $$ .. so they won’t spend $$ to make servers !! this issue won’t be solved

  • http://Youtube.com/user/lallyofthevalley Nemesis_96

    In all honesty, I’ve not found BF3′s server based matchmaking to be any faster than BOII’s P2P matchmaking.

    In terms of lag, I don’t know if I’m just really lucky, but I’ve not come across the massive issues in Black ops that people keep ranting about.

    I’ve experienced equal amounts of lag between any FPS, really – It heavily depends on people’s individual connections! (I mean, c’mon CoD haters, you’re asking Treyarch/ IW to basically make everyone’s internet connection work better than it’s capable of doing. :/ )

    • Danny Hargreaves Kernot

      your joking?? lol. you are lucky or blind and ignorant! on bf3 i get no lag i can kill people alot more evenly than on black ops 2 hence why i play bf3 for mp and black ops 2 for zombies dedicated servers could would and should be bought! they go along way they make that much money its not like they cant afford it! we are not asking them to make it work better. stupid idiot! lol. it would rule out the problem of worser lag and bs hit detection and able to shoot people properly and they die in a few bullets as they should! and where they are. not a full clip and it not even killing them or more than a clip. you need to wake up and smell the coffee because the online for this game is a JOKE!

      • Raymond Featherston

        Are you the idiot, while I agree with dedicated servers being good who are you to say that his personal experiences make him stupid. While the overwhelming majority has lag issues there are a lucky few who do not (myself being one of them). I am sorry to break it to you but some people may have differing views/experiences, and I know that may be hard to hear for someone that is clearly self righteous such as yourself. You are the idiot if you think that just because it happens to you (or even the majority) that it happens to everybody, and the fact that you think that just because somebody has different experiences /views that they are stupid or lying is extremely ignorant.

        • Danny Hargreaves Kernot

          everyone i repeat! everyone no matter who lags in this game has issues killing people. and will experience issues its call of duty for christ sake! ive been playing cod games for years! the past year even less as i am sick of the bs. i am not self righteous “EVERYONE!!” has issues with cod and there broken servers and ridiculous lag issues. ignorant no. i say it how it is and the truth in the case of this game for anyone.

          • Raymond Featherston

            Can you please give a citation for our “Everyone” statement? Whether or not it is true or not is irrelevant to the fact that you are passing it off as a fact when there is no viable evidence that supports it being such. Most people (from what I’ve seen) do have some problems but you seem to insist that everybody has a consistent problem, which you cannot prove and I know not to be true as I do not have a CONSISTENT problem. ” its call of duty for christ sake” every online game will have some lag not just COD. Even you precious (insert your favorite online game here), that is how the internet works regardless of specs, game, or platform it will always have lag so that statement holds no ground.

        • http://Www.pselectronicsrepair.com/ Lrishjake

          Idiot calls another the same. . #failingsohardithurts

          • Raymond Featherston

            Yes I am the idiot when I point out that he said something that is 100% ill informed. And I said “You are the idiot if you think” keyword “if” so no technically I did not call him anything as of now, I gave circumstances that would make him such. Logic is a bitch ain’t it. #Nonologic #biasedstatemnts #illinformedstatements.

    • Scary69l

      I’m going to say you SIR are a liar, I have played BOTH games like it ain’t nobodies business and will tell you the lag on BO2 and ALL cod games are horrendous. You mean you don’t notice lag in COD because you are probably the one with crappy connection lagging the rooms up. As for BF3 which I started back up playing and missed it. It does have some minor issues with spawn points other than that I have not lagged out nor has it take an eternity to find a room. I get thrown into a room in a second. I do wish all games will get rid of loading screens before entering a game and just throw me into the action asap. But I must say BF3 has the best dedicated servers other than spawning which can be fixed then any other shooter I have played.

      • Raymond Featherston

        I’m going to tell you the same thing I told the other guy: Who are you to call someone a liar just because they have different experiences than the majority. Face the fact that just because you (or the majority) have the problem does not mean everybody does and that fact that you assume that they are lying because of this is extremely ignorant.

      • Chad Eugene Rash

        There is lag in BF3. Theres proof all over the net.

        • mechcell

          Every last MP game had lag.

      • Chicken Dick

        Considering you are bitching about spawn points in BF tells me you are playing TDM. Epic Fail.

    • http://www.techmansworld.com/ Michael Hazell

      Every game has lag, because of the nature of sending data over the Internet. Although lag with dedicated servers is very minimal.

      • http://Youtube.com/user/lallyofthevalley Nemesis_96

        This is exactly what I’m saying.
        I can’t be bothered to reply to the other two replies I got, because they’re clearly on a rage…
        Like what you say, severs tend to reduce lag, but you can never fully take out the factor of what the individual’s Internet connection is like.
        And I did say I think I’m lucky when it comes to BOII and it’s lag.

        • http://www.techmansworld.com/ Michael Hazell

          I’m typically lucky too, but there is times when I get into lobbies with a bad host. People lagging all over the place, delayed hit markets, etc. It’s bad.

    • http://www.facebook.com/datkidfromawendaw Clay Johnson

      You’re entitled to your opinion, even if it’s not 100% logical. First off, matchmaking in BF3, if one would even call it that is infinitely faster than Black Ops II. There’s no “searching for the best games 0/50 or 100″, “finding a good host” “setting up game” “contacting server host” “accessing iTunes store”, “gathering energy for a super spirit bomb“ or any of those mundane matchmaking tactics that would cause the entire process to restart if any one of those parameters failed to be met via timeout. In Battlefield 3, you look for a server with open space, join Jon the server and that’s it! No waiting on host or waiting on five or 10 other people to join none of that stuff nobody has time for. My problems with lag tend to come from playing on servers that are well outside my region but that’s my fault. If that l little yellow triangle flashes on screen that’s MY LAG not anyone else’s, and if I left,the match seamlessly pays on with no interruption. Much better than BOII

      • http://Youtube.com/user/lallyofthevalley Nemesis_96

        There’s no point even arguing with you because you clearly love spewing out bullshit

        • http://www.facebook.com/datkidfromawendaw Clay Johnson

          Alright, which is why you got 5 downvotes, for “stating facts” right?

          • http://Youtube.com/user/lallyofthevalley Nemesis_96

            I never said they were facts, I just said that’s my experience, thank you very much,
            As fo the down votes, of course I got down voted because the Disqus section of this site is filled with a battlefield twats who couldn’t string a logical argument together.

            I mean, how is calling me a liar debating a point seriously? No one can pretend that’s not just plain douchebaggery. Not to mention their recurring spelling errors proves they lack a level of intelligence. These are the people who downvoted it, so it’s low down the list now and no one reads/ cares anymore including myself.

  • Mitch

    Would be cool if they put Dedicated Servers in Ghosts, and let us rent some. Would be cool to get Domination matches to 400 points or 200kill TDM. But then you shouldn’t let admins kick people, so many times I got kicked in BF3 just because I was doing good… If they would do that, all the admins should be able to change is the amount of score needed to win or the time limit.

    • http://www.techmansworld.com/ Michael Hazell

      400 point domination matches huh? Sounds interesting, but then again not everyone wants to spend like a half hour playing one match. On the upside, it’s a great chance to get a lot of XP.

  • SGUINESS

    dedicated servers for cod, or i’m giving it up.

    • Danny Hargreaves Kernot

      i agree hence why i now play bf3! i dont get the bs i do in that game unlike black ops 2 the most absurd bs ive ever seen! lol

    • betosobreira

      Take my like!

  • Danny Hargreaves Kernot

    i am sick of cod and the lag bs rubber banding cant shoot people properly! activision have more money than sense! so why no dedicated servers? i got bf3 the other day flawless online ok spawns can be broken no less! but at least i can get out of the spawn and kill the person attacking me! i havent played mp in days you know why i dont? the servers are garbage! i only play zombies even that lags which is ridiculous from time to time! not to mention other stupid errors! get with it activision and treyarch dedicated servers are the way forward! its why i stopped playing mp because its a joke and activision are a disgrace its that simple more money than sense and yet no dedicated servers says alot about you as a company and publisher! lol.

  • Dean Swain

    Dedicated servers have you actually played BF3 it is awful online, matchmaking is the worst for any game I have ever played it is just an utter car crash of a multiplayer game.

    • Danny Hargreaves Kernot

      your joking arent you? lol. i played it the other day it was great easier to kill people spawns can be off but not as bad as black ops 2! and black ops 2 is so great eh? are you joking lag people one barring getting hit markers people dont die. at least in bf3 they do. you clearly cant have played much of bo2 then?! thats what you call a train wreck of a game for mp and over all bs

      • Mitch

        Punctuation, do you know it?

        • Danny Hargreaves Kernot

          that the best thing you can say? grammar nazi idiot. how about on the internet i dont care about grammar. do you know how to fuck off? lol ….

          • Mitch

            It’s easier to read. If I was a grammar nazi I would have told you it’s ”You’re, aren’t, I, don’t, can’t”

            • oofy

              Which you didn’t, so you aren’t.

            • http://www.facebook.com/datkidfromawendaw Clay Johnson

              Technically he did, right at the very end. If he weren’t, he would have said something along the lines of “I would point out all of your grammatical errors, but I won’t.

            • oofy

              psst…a joke works when it goes unsaid. I knew he did, but I was…nevermind.

            • http://www.facebook.com/datkidfromawendaw Clay Johnson

              Oops lol sorry bro

      • Raymond Featherston

        Once again the fact that you think just because someone disagrees with you that they are stupid makes you look like the stupid one, along with that statement being one of the most ignorant things I’ve ever heard. Also, learn basic English please as you seem to lack basic writing skills.

        • Danny Hargreaves Kernot

          ok then no it doesnt make me stupid and i can use english just fine and you know what? its the internet does not matter as long as readable you understand perfectly what im saying dont you? shortened down or not?. my vocabulary if you must know is pretty damn good but i dont have to use it here and want to know something? im lazy with it! especially on the internet when it has no merit.

          nice try though belittling me! lol …. ignorant or not it is the truth and “EVERYONE” on the planet who plays cod has issues with lag especially on bo2 unable to kill people etc etc. and as for learn basic english il learn what i want so dont try and dictate or tell me what to do.

          arrogant self righteous prick thinking you can order people around lol. this is the internet no rules on how you say things or what you write also you want to be condescending its typed not written ;P enjoy your day

          • Dirtknap

            If there’s a coherent point in there, it’s lost in….. ah, who cares, you clearly don’t. But, if you are here for actual discussion, you would do much better to take a moment longer on each comment to articulate yourself clearly, otherwise it’s a waste of everyone’s time (yours included).

            “”EVERYONE” on the planet who plays cod has issues with lag especially on bo2″. While I agree that everyone experiences issues, these are to varying quantities and degrees. BLOPS II in my experience is the worst title to date (and it goes well beyond simple lag or netcode) however, I find little fault with BLOPS I, any issues that do arise I find are generally resolved by lobby shopping. That’s just an average day for me and many others, yet there are plenty of community members that will tell you the opposite. Be accepting of others accounts of things, unless you can unequivocally back your position with evidence, then by all means, feel free to take them to school.

            And yes, this is the internet, but MP1st (despite the troll and fanboy infiltration in recent times) is a nice place to hang out. There are mods on standby, ready to whack the folks that get too inflammatory with the ban hammer. If you like it here…

            https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/1482435840/hBC9B7A4A/

      • Matt

        you can tell you aint played battlefield 3 from release, all the patches have F*cked the game up, deffently end game but as you have just got it you wont have all dlc lol

    • oofy

      While Battlefield 3 does have it’s online issues, I’d rather have dedicated servers than p2p.

    • jameslara

      I have actually and besides losing my own party members (like I do in almost any game), I can’t say the servers actually given me any issues in terms of Lag.

      IDK what you mean by “Matchmaking”, but if you mean as in you pick this game mode and it puts you in a completely different one then yes that is bad, but it’s not entirely server side, more of just plain bad coding right there with bad loops.

      Otherwise, in terms of lag and loads, it all runs seemlessly for me on Console (PS3).

      However, eevryone experiences different things. People said Black Ops (1) was broken on the ps3, lag lag lag, yet when I played it it was fine.

  • oofy

    I know Microsoft has said that all online multiplayer games on the Xbox One will have dedicated servers. Has Sony said anything about their online infrastructure for the PS4?

    • Mitch

      Nothing, but I guess it will get a mayor upgrade since they made some money with PS+ and PS+ is needed for MP on PS4

  • PertAndPopular

    I love how people are saying they are done if there are no dedicated servers….I’m done because the games have gotten worse and worse…Black ops 2 being the worst one yet. You can tell COD has been tailored for the 12 year olds.It’s like Activision listened to the worst community members and implemented their non-sense into the games. I’ve said this a million times, but black ops 2 is like being a chicken that was shot up with meth, had it’s head cut off and then handed an smg…it’s retarded! “Nu uh bro! COD is the best! Check out my youtube video! It’s called “Jump from a window do a 360 spin no scope headshot mt.dew doritos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” durrrrrrrrrr!!!!!

    • PertAndPopular

      Somebody please make that a video.

      • http://www.techmansworld.com/ Michael Hazell

        I think he got the Doritios chips part from Legend of Thunder.

        • Sensou-Ookami

          SPICY DORITO CHIPS FTW!

    • Toxzik

      Dude if that’s not COD today, then I don’t know what is. Fucking PROPS for that comment Pert….VERY well said.

    • Mr. Thuggins

      Though I know that you’re exaggerating, the high that one gets from methamphetamine is because of how it affects the brain and if said chicken were to get its head cut off, it would stop getting the effects of the methamphetamine so, long story short, poorly thought out analogy.

      I do agree that their MP has turned into a clusterfuck, but there is no need to be so dramatic.

    • Warlon

      That’s always been CoD…it’s always been a slow mans Quake III arena.

  • Ryan Merrifield

    Honestly, I don’t see dedicated servers in the next Call of Duty. I mean, I could be wrong, seeing how this is a transition year to the next gen. But regardless, Activision will not introduce dedicated servers unless they absolutely have to. I say this due to the fact (Which we are all very well aware of) that the majority of the CoD playerbase is not “hardcore” and do not venture onto websites like this. I guarantee you at least 60% of the people who play CoD can’t tell you what a dedicated server is. So why would Activision spend a significant amount of money only to cater to the minority of the CoD community? Now these numbers are not official of course, but we can all kinda sense it right? The fact that in almost every lobby there is the typical 12 year old zzirgrizz wannabe.

    But, that same 12 year old is now the leading consumer for CoD, so naturally Activision must dumb down the game, and make it more appealing to this age group. This is why people on websites such as MP1st get so frustrated. Because CoD has become so large, that the hardcore community is simply outnumbered, and therefore their opinions matter less. Now, I’m not trying to bash CoD. In fact, you could say I’m a fanboy. I have no problem admiting I play, and enjoy, some Blops 2 everyday.

    In short, I don’t see dedicated servers happeining because in Activision’s eyes, they don’t need them. Now again, I don’t have any real numbers to back up my post, its just how I feel about the issue. I hope some of you understand how I can draw these conclusions.

    • Toxzik

      Dude I get it completely. I’m on the same page exactly. COD is a gift and a curse to the game industry in many ways. One of them is what you said, the casuals outweigh the hardcore. Another one is the idea of their bad practices like day 1 dlc or half the game now, the other half dlc, or the yearly unfixed re-hash. People see their numbers and want those sales so its monkey see monkey do. Pretty soon everyone releases a half added game with tons of unfixed dlc, or outsources to other crappy companies (ahem….. CAPCOM) to keep a yearly schedule. Or does “this or that” to appeal to casuals…..it really sucks…I know how ya feel.

  • RoderickVI

    Xbox has already stated that they are getting dedicated servers in every game, exclusive or not. They will provide this cloud based servers to game dev companies

  • PuddingAuxRais1ns

    This is why i’m probably picking up Ghosts on PC. Fuck p2p and fps-based ROF and sub-HD native resolutions. I have had enough.

  • Chad Eugene Rash

    BF has dedicated servers & there is still lag. The only thing dedicated servers would do is get rid of are host migrations.

    • Chicken Dick

      You are a moron.

    • EndangeredQuake

      But it also factors out the problem of the host having shitty connection. And it factors out the host advantage. And it allows people to look for servers in their area to reduce lag. So yes, lag is still there, but it can be worked around easier with dedicated servers.

      • Chicken Dick

        Also trust me I very rarely get any lag and when i do it is usually because people from other countries are in US servers for whatever reason.

        • http://www.techmansworld.com/ Michael Hazell

          The game code should be able to look up an IP to see what country it is in.

    • paulinacio

      Battlefield 3 only has lag to a extent where there is like a 1 to 2 second lag delay and that is about it and if your getting lag such as rubber banding then I would suggest to check your internet speed

  • xHDx

    That is the reason I played “worse” after MW2. They introducedsome code which allowed other people to eact your connection, so i quit and i wont be back on unless they are dedicated. They have no excuse to not have dedicated servers, they milked the COD series for years and haven`t made any noticable improvements apart from the game physics.

  • Toxzik

    IW said they won’t be doing dedicated this year for Ghosts. Whatever, I won’t be getting Ghosts anyway. As long as COD stays p2p, I’ll stay away. Its a twitch based online shooter with things like QuickDraw and Stalker that make the guns even faster while the connection stays the same. Then they f– up the netcode. Now dingleberry’s Wal*Mart connection is on par with mine after I paid XX amount of dollars for my internet, AND ditched the router after forwarding ports didn’t work. Haha but according to Activision, it was my routers fault. Lol you guys remember that? Around the time a bit after Ops1 came out they stated that it wasn’t their code, it was everyone else’s routers. Whatever Lol, I think all games should be dedicated with a p2p option in case of a server crash or when they shut it down. COD won’t because not only will changing the netcode take more development time out of the already short time there is for there’s games, but also because it will cost money….and that’s something Activision just doesn’t have….?
    /s

  • EndangeredQuake

    Yo Mp1st? Wheres all the comi-con articles and the rumored xbox one tech upgrade?

    • jameslara

      All of our staff members have died this past weekend. That and we haven’t really seen much news about MP related games TBH.

  • NiftyGam3r

    You bring a very interesting point: either regular servers and have the ability to go back and play after the game has gone down, or dedicated servers which will provide protected lobbys within the game’s popular period. I honestly dont mind i’m a old school gamer no online back then, the fact that we have online experiences is a priveledge, so lag and host migration dont phase me too much(a little bit) but then again technology is advancing and the community demands quality

  • ThtJstHapnd

    You know something is wrong when Esport pros call your game garbage live on their twitch stream with 20k viewers. They call the connections garbage and even say that the internet is better than being on lan at an event, thats how messed up the lag comp and netcode is. It’s getting pathetic.

    I asked IW PR about dedicated servers for xbox one and they said they had more details coming soon. If they didn’t have some kind of dedicated servers they would have told me no, I would assume.

    • XFistsClenchedX
      • DanDustEmOff

        I read the entire article and no where in the entire article do IW state that there is not dedicated servers.

      • ThtJstHapnd

        At what point does it say p2p? They haven’t announced that stated by the PR twitter girl when she replied to me. Don’t get me wrong… I believe they will do p2p. I mean they want money and spending it on dedi servers when the game will sell anyways is just stupid.

  • WarHero

    Dedicated Servers must be in Next Gen there should be no excuse of not using it since it is this far off of this gen. I would say that games who do not support Dedicated Servers in the future I will not support it especially a major triple A title.

  • Warlon

    PC has dedicated servers for Black Ops 2. There is still lag compensation. End of story.

    • kirbaaaay

      It’s a bad game-finding system though. “We’ll put you in a dedicated server… depending on where you want to be located and where other people want to be located.” I’d rather have a server browser. Even if just one website provides them like with BO1, it’s better than this.

      • Warlon

        There is one thing I like about no user owned servers. I can’t be kicked for playing above average. Look at BF3 my spm is above 900 so i can’t even join half the servers without auto kick.

        • kirbaaaay

          I’d rather be kicked for doing well than have to sometime struggle to do well because either my team is completely terrible and I’m playing solo at the moment or I’m too busy dealing with rubberbanding to focus on anything else.

          • Warlon

            True, I’m pretty sure they added dedi’s on PC for BO:2 because the community revolted and created their own dedicated servers for MW2 and MW3. Have to love stuffing it to developers who want to limit your freedom to have fun.

  • Mark Lenz

    Most of you guys complaining about BLOPS 2′s netcode, are you guys playing on Xbox360 or PS3?

    • paulinacio

      Don’t turn this into a console war please!! BOII Netcode is bad period regardless of the console your playing on

      • Mark Lenz

        I’m just asking for an honest opinion.

        I’ve played on BLOPS 2 on PSN and I’ve gotten mostly very decent matches. Of course there were some occasions bad lag due to players with poor connections but I’ve only encountered that maybe 1 out every 10 matches. Like I said that’s acceptable.

        • paulinacio

          My bad man.. I thought you were going to say all the Netcode and other issues with COD lies only on the PS3

  • steve

    Elimination of lag? Depends what you mean by lag, but with client-side hitreg, dedicated servers make no difference to being shot round corners.

  • HighBob

    hah, half of EA games are Peer2Peer, still their matchmaking servers gets shut down… But yeah, EA is a completely different story I guess…

  • Chicken Dick

    bastards

  • Chicken Dick

    dicks!!!!!!!

  • Chicken Dick

    filmaking is for women!!!!!!

  • Chicken Dick

    whores

  • http://Youtube.com/user/lallyofthevalley Nemesis_96

    I hate Disqus why did I break my promise to myself to stop commenting here :/

  • Marcin Kubica

    You have to know in BF3 offical servers are a minority. Most of them are rented servers and on many of them you don’t want to be better than the admins… I don’t see it not coming for COD – expect frequent kick/bans even on clan servers :)

  • That guy you might know

    Dedicated Servers aren’t gonna happen anytime soon. Its rather surprising that PC even remotely has them, I’m not sure how the connection rate is on PC but I’m sure it has to be better than consoles.

    And about the whole “CoD 4 master race” thing……
    The game itself was a fluke, its just not possible for the whole series go downhill after ONE game and constantly get worse each release.

    CoD 4 was an accident that somehow went right in my opinion.

  • Scott | MassNERDerer

    To say dedicated servers always have quick loading times and no lag seems like quite a reach. Let’s use the latest popular dedicated server game as an example: BF3. Which still had lag in games, though the lag may be spread against most players evenly, there were months while xbox players in West Coast US all had terrible connections and preferred to play on East Coast Servers. Commonly load up times for matches, especially if you were trying to join with a squad could take 5+ minutes. Maybe the solution is to offer both? I LOVED the addition of rent a server as well.

    The more options the better in my eyes. Have some dedicated servers, but allow players to create new lobbies, purchase servers, or even some P2P if the # of dedicated is full. Obviously, that’s not a perfect solution either, but I don’t think the answer is out there yet, too much room for improvement still.

  • HBK

    How much do dedicated servers cost?

  • Ανώνυμος

    Dedicated servers is just half part of the equation. The other half is netcode. If you have bad netcode you ll end up having same issues even in games running on dedicated servers (BF3). So people thinking dedicated servers will solve their lag problems, are wrong, its how you ll implement your netcode and hitdetection. See at all the problems BF3 has. It s right to push for dedicated servers, but the same effort should be put to push devs to write correct netcode for hassle free gameplay

  • awkenney

    Am I mistaken, or wouldn’t P2P games still require a master server? That being said, even P2P games wouldn’t be playable forever online.

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