GTA Online – Dear Rockstar, Fix Or Get Rid Of The “Bad Sport” System

Are we seriously getting punished for playing the game the way it was meant to be played?

Look, don’t get the wrong idea about me. I’m not someone who shoots every breathing thing on a whim. In fact, in most cases, unless a bounty is placed on someone, I will only shoot after being shot at. Nonetheless, let’s talk about the “Bad Sport” system and how it’s labelling genuinely good players as “Bad Sports”.

For those who don’t know what the Bad Sport system is, it is pretty much a system that, based on a player’s behavior, will lock you into a lobby with other players of this play style for two to more real-world days. At first glance, it doesn’t sound like a bad idea, especially if it gets rid of those annoying shoot-on-site players. However, as noble as the idea may be, that’s not to say it isn’t completely broken in some aspects.

Recently, a friend of mine was targeted as a bounty by another player. With a bounty on your head, the most reasonable thing to do would be to, of course, defend yourself from anyone who isn’t on your side, and as such, he did. A few kills later, a team of bounty hunters roll up to him in a car as he shoots away in his attack helicopter, killing the hunters and destroying the vehicle that was both tracked and insured. This prompted him to lose $10,000 while gaining a label that he rightfully did not deserve; “Bad Sport”.

What’s wrong with this picture? Well for starters, this GTA is a game about killing and stealing. This type of behavior is a part of the GTA nature. Secondly, if you blow up an insured vehicle that belongs to someone, sure, you’ll have to pay up the insurance costs, but why should one be labeled as a bad sport in a case like this? No matter if they are shooting at you to claim that juicy bounty, or even if just free-roaming, if the car is destroyed, you are labeled. Self-defense, nor any other type of system to indicate that you were being shot at are in place to prevent the Bad Sport status and that, to me, is broken.

We could let this slide, but the fact that we can’t join his invite-only games or even play with him on the bad sport server, Rockstar is dictating something they should have no control over. It feels punishable not to play with a crew member that you have been playing with since the beginning, all do to a poor anti-greifing system.

I like the idea it, but if it’s going to prevent us from defending ourselves from other players by imposing the risk of destroying their personal vehicle and being labeled as a bad sport, then what is the point? And how contradictory does that make the bounty feature, when the purpose of the labelling is to prevent players from killing one another. We’re not supposed to kill others, but placing a bounty enforces that idea? Meanwhile, players who must pay GTA$100 to enter passive mode are still getting killed by players with vehicles, and they get off scott free.

At least let party, group or crew members enjoy the game together in private lobbies.

I know that there are more pressing matters surrounding Grand Theft Auto Online, but Rockstar needs to add this to their list of things to fix. I might come off as a whiny brat here, but let’s face it, good players are being punished because of this system. More importantly, it’s blatantly ironic to see such a system exist in a game about stealing players’ cars and killing one another.

  • NiftyGam3r

    I got kicked out of some lobbys just because they were lobbys with people with big crews and didnt want any other players in the lobby. Couple of kicks later and i got labeled “bad sport” sooo yeah i dont like this categorization in a way

    • Storm_Worm5364

      Oh man, how I hate those sons-a-bitches…. Ruining GTA Online… Infinite loadings and than BAM, your kicked, time for another loading, bam kicked again and after some kicks the game mabye thinks that your rage-quitting or some shit and gives you bad sport…

    • TheDerpPolice

      Its a video game, get over it.

      • WarHero

        A video game WE BOUGHT, with OUR MONEY. You make it seem like this situation is ok. When we buy our products we want the best, if not then we make complaints about it. The way you say ‘”Get over it” makes you look like a dick and note these companies wouldn’t exist without us the CONSUMERS.

      • No2 Polo

        We brought the game we used our money on it, so why should rockstar be able to stop us from playing with our friends? if one of us is a bad sport and the others are not?

      • Greg Smith

        You’re a fool.

      • David Jones

        Ah yeah, god forbid we show any kind of annoyance or outrage of any caliber towards anything we buy, want, get, need, deserve or go through. I suppose if someone in your family dies, then you can just “get over it” because people die. Great logic.

  • Bryan P

    This is not news, this is opinion. Why is this being posted on here?

    • Joel Santana

      We’ve always posted opinion pieces.

      • zacflame

        This might sound random and out of nowhere, but what happened to stuff like top 10 [blank]s?

  • ChessMania

    You took the words out of my mouth. Writing an article with an opinion is a compromised article… Everything is immediately flagged as untrue and biased..

  • Joel Santana

    Yeah I totally agree, this system needs to be re-worked. And it doesn’t help that I was just literally put into the ‘bad-sport’ category because I was defending myself from trolls who blew up my adder as soon as I got out my garage.

    • RamenGuy (Tobi)

      Removed, as in completely out of GTA.

  • Alex | FamousIsLIVE

    It just really seems like they didn’t put much thought into GTA Online.

    • James Mulhall

      Feels rushed tbh.

      • Alex | FamousIsLIVE

        Right. They could have just came out and said, we aren’t completely ready to launch Online but it will be available in the near future. People wouldn’t have been so angry.

    • Kyle Jackson

      The consoles are the test case for the PC version :D

      • Stev-oCoal

        This, while it may total bullshit, could also be the very truth… ;) God I want a PC version so bad that I would sell my soul to the devil but unfortunately I already sold it for GTA V :(

        • Kyle Jackson

          You heathen :D It will be soooo worth the wait. I don’t own a console, but if I did I might of bought it, but I’m way too attached to my keyboard and mouse, even though I jump to a pad for the driving bits.

          • Deej

            ‘Might have’

            • Kyle Jackson

              His was more of a grammar mistake, mine was a regional dialect differentiation.

            • Deej

              No, it was bastardised English. What you meant was ‘might’ve’. I cringe every time i see a ‘should of’, ‘would of’, ‘might of’. Every time you do it a small puppy dies…

            • Kyle Jackson

              No, I think my response pretty much nailed it.

      • Zatanna XOXOXOXO

        How did I know that someone would come along and say something like this smh….. There really was no purpose for that comment other than to cause problems, the article had nothing to do with PC, and by saying that the console was just a test run on an article that had nothing to do with it just proves this.

        • Kyle Jackson

          Oh go away…

          • Zatanna XOXOXOXO

            Your the one who is trying to start a war here, not I. How about you go away ;)

            • Kyle Jackson

              ‘You’re’ ;)

            • Zatanna XOXOXOXO

              Lol nice catch, but that doesn’t make what you did anymore acceptable ;)

            • Kyle Jackson

              You edited it you cheeky bugger ;)

            • Zatanna XOXOXOXO

              Lol the one time I didn’t proofread I had a mistake, so of course I had to fix it ;)

            • Kyle Jackson

              It’s all good my friend, just playing, peace ;)

            • Cudifying

              jesus stop with the gay winking guys

            • Kyle Jackson

              A voyeur I see, okay, you can watch ;)

      • James Mason

        Just because you say that, I hope it never gets released for PC. In fact, I think PC companies should start putting in software that detects when someone starts spouting their PC elitist drivel and disables all games from being played and or installed on the machine.

        • Kyle Jackson

          Oh but it will, and I’ll get a pirated copy too :)

          • PiratingIsForQueers

            …… and that’s why Rockstar doesn’t release games on the PC anymore.

            • Kyle Jackson

              What are you talking about you prick, we’ve just had Max Payne 3, not to mention ALL of the Grand Theft Auto’s, including the incoming 5th one. You should be more worried about your homophobia kid…

  • shawn

    the bad sport thing was the next version of the “cheaters pool” from max payne 3
    you are right that it does need some tweaking

    its orginal intention was to be a lobby where all the griefers,cheaters, hacks and modders . would be bunched together . but it needs to be recalibrated

    and yes there are already numerous hacks out there for gta v online

  • bobj

    Come Nov 15 and Nov 22 nobody is gonna give a rats ass about this anyway. This games mutiplayer is broken time to move on.

    Word of advice to developers. Stop making mutiplayer games when your strength is single player games. It is pointless.

    • James K

      Well to be fair, Mirror Edge was a success.

      • KennyKyle

        it’s not a sport.

        • Stev-oCoal

          Free running is a sport? The action is only there as an incentive? or are you referring to like TEAM stuff like soccer and AFL and American Football?

          • KennyKyle

            well, as you mentioned, i guess free running is a sport

          • Greg Smith

            I would consider parkour a sport.

            • crow

              Kinda in a way. But it was created as a survival and escape tool mainly

        • Zatanna XOXOXOXO

          What does its status as a sport (or not) have to do with this?

        • Greg Smith

          He meant in relation to the comment about if DICE did other games other than FPS’s.

          • James K

            Bingo.

    • James Mulhall

      GTA IV’s multiplayer was brilliant in the competitive community.. GTA V is seriously a cluster fuck of unnecessary features and stupid load times. They have like 1 minute load screens for the littlest things that can all be done on one screen. 1 minute load screen to like or dislike the match, another minute to vote on the next game, like 3 minutes for the host to start, another minute betting and about 30 seconds watching some stupid cutscenes of the teams.

      • xjumper

        GTA and competitive lol

        • James Mulhall

          Well then you’ve clearly never played online. Because GTA IV was more competitive than most games when it was released

    • Nogoodnamesleft

      You do not know RalliSport Challenge, DICE made it…

  • James Mulhall

    Has anyone else had issues trying to play any of the modes? I can normally join a free roam game without any problem. But as soon as I try and do missions, races, tdm, etc.. I just get Rockstar server errors.. I think I got a chance to play TDM twice since they released it.

  • xbox rules

    I have mods because someone infested me with the mods mod menu. . Bunch of moders and cheaters out there .. gta online is going to come and go. Wait for the 29th of this month. Well for me 3 days before everyone else gets there game. Cod since I got an invitation to play the game early which would be the 20th of this month. Its good to have friends in high places. . ( sponsored by the nwo)

  • zacflame

    For GTA, killing on sight is not being a bad sport. Actually, it’s pretty much half of what the game’s about.
    Being a bad sport in GTA is kicking people for speaking english, or killing friends because they were minding their own business and you ran into their vehicle and died.

    • Just saying

      you knew that if you crashed in other player’s car mistakenly or not, you will be labeled bad sport after a couple of times.

  • Cycovision

    My friend’s car was on fire so I threw a grenade at it, boom ‘bad sport’

    Whatever you say Rockstar.

    • Just saying

      And why did you throw a grenade on it?!

      • plasid93

        Fighting fire with fire?

      • Cycovision

        It’s a running gag that started in Black Ops Zombies between us. I mean the whole reason it was on fire was because he drove it into a train while we were running from the cops. The problem I have is you can kill someone, steal their money, then steal their car(preventing it from spawning in). But you destroy a car that’s a $250 call to Mor’s somehow that’s inherently worse?

        • Just saying

          I just adjust the vehicle privacy setting to No-One then I call the mechanic to bring it to me, that’s if I got stuck in a shitty situation like this.

  • RoadTripToJalalabad

    It seems like a good feature for online games but not one like GTA where treachery and betrayal are core plot features.

  • Ryan ‘Ryman’ Clark

    I agree with this article. It was a great concept, but they should have waited and gotten feedback on the concept first before implementing it, especially since they stated that the first few weeks of GTAO are for testing and feedback.

  • M C

    Why should people who defend themselves against attacks be forced into a server with actual cheaters, modders, hacks etc.

    People come after me all the time, I am going to blow up your vehicle because when you are inside it, it is easier to hit you, and harder for you to hit me.

    Destroying personal vehicles should NOT make you a bad sport.

  • Swisher Sweets

    glad i only bought this game for the single player. everything about the online just turns me off.

  • Peter Griffin

    I kind of wish the online would have more customization. Like more hairstyles, more clothes, more CHARACTER DETAIL, or ways I can make my character look different minus than the weird character customization. A lot of people look the same online….

  • No2 Polo

    It’s like if someone is shooting at you from their car you have to ask ” hey mind if you step out of the car for a second so i can fire back, don’t want to run the risk of blowing the car up and getting bad sport”. I got bad sport for playing with a tank, but is this not gta? online? I guess we can always hug one another now? give each other flowers? xD.

  • Ryan Schulze

    Wondered if I was labeled a bad sport. I was about to wander into a convenience store to rob it, as you do in GTA, and some guy decided to run me over. He hit me and pinned me to the store, backed up, and then…well, I wasn’t dead. So I got up, shot him, took his money, and used his car as my getaway. Figured he’s fair game if he tried to kill me first. Bad sport or not, it was a great GTA moment.

  • mus1CKFps

    i like the bad sport idea but not for these situations i want the people who try to shoot at you for having a car they want to be labeled as a bad sport or those who attack you the moment you get out of a mission or those who constantly kill for no reason i understand its about killing but i’d like to spend the money i just got without someone trying to kill me and it hasn’t happened to me yet but it has happened to several of my friends we don’t even go after the bounties anymore we do the missions from Ron, Gerald, Martin, & Lester because after rank 31 you start getting those missions that pay $10,000 and more i do hope they fix it though i dont think your friend deserved that

  • MC-ARNIE

    I completely agree with this article, but cannot believe the hate going towards online in general. Maybe it’s just because people keep getting owned, or haven’t ranked up enough to get access to decent equipment? What we’re playing now is just the starting shell of the online side of things, and teething problems aside I think it’s absolute quality!

    • David Jones

      I think its incredible, but when something is amazing, the flaws show far more vibrantly. Most of this isn’t down to a lack of skill or rank, I’ve accomplished a respectable amount in both. It’s to do with being restricted and punished for something that can just as easily be done by accident, as it can be on purpose. Although I wager that the accident’s are far more common.

  • David Jones

    I completely agree with this and have said the same thing for nearly a
    week. If someone comes to kill me, Bounty or otherwise, and I’ve done
    nothing to provoke him, then yeah. I’ll fight back. If I have a sticky
    bomb, then boo hoo, the car he is in is blown up. It can’t be helped in
    some cases. Recently I did a three man mission for Martin, and my plan
    was to turn two cars we stole from civilians into bombs. Problem was,
    one of my teams cars got caught in the blast site, and boom, bad sport. I
    apologized profusely over this, hardly the actions of someone who
    according to GTA Online, is racking up Bad Sport ratings left and right
    over this type of action. If you ask me, people who grief by killing
    others over and over again, knowing full well they are causing a massive
    loss of funds from hard earned money, should be bad sports. The
    hospital bills should be removed online, since it renders the concept of
    protecting your money pointless, when some asswipe is blowing you up,
    killing you, running you over and generally making your day a bad one,
    even if you are in passive mode. That’s assuming you get the chance to
    enter it, since everyone has this stupid, compulsive need to shoot
    anyone who isn’t a civilian in this game. The Bad Sport system is also
    broken, since if your connection drops out or you somehow become
    disconnected from a game, boom….bad sport. Red Dead did okay without
    it, but if it really must stay, then it really MUST be looked at from a
    player’s perspective, and tweaked accordingly.

  • Peter Dell’Ario

    Seriously, this bad sport bullshit is stupid!

    I don’t want to sit around for two fucking days unable to play with my friends
    (THE ONLY REASON I BOUGHT THE FUCKING GAME); and be punished because I’m able to fucking destroy every noob that tries to come after me to get bounties etc…

    Why do I get punished when someone rides a street bike into a store while I’m shopping, so I blow it up… OH hey, now I am the bad sport? I’m a motherfucking bad sport for blowing up some douchbag? FUCK YOU R*

  • Tasty Pete

    I really wanted to finish this article, but the writer has such a piss poor grasp of english grammar that I couldn’t face it.

  • James

    Get rid of it it’s Grand Theft Auto If something bad happens to you do it back that what makes the game fun but when you start. Putting in gay stuff like bad stuff that’s gonna make it so I don’t play the game for a day I accidentally kicked my xbox so I didn’t want to get laser burn so I ejected disc right away and when I came back it said I was labeled as a bad sport now I can’t play with anybody

  • Darcy Clouds Ducky

    Don’t get a tank its a waste. I was driving my tank for 5 mins before a player seen me driving my tank. He keep ramming my tank tell his car blow up next thing you know I get bad sport and now can’t play with my crew or friends

  • http://www.youtube.com/DreadfulControversy Super Nigga

    So when you kill other players and cost them $-2000 a respawn it’s OK, but they try to kill you, and you blow up the car their in and you’re banned?

  • OldManLight

    agree the bad sport label should be given to someone who has repeatedly killed the same player without the other player retaliating. destroying a personal vehicle should carry the financial penalty but not the bad sport. If someone is in their vehicle with a bounty, they should expect it to be damaged or destroyed by bounty hunters.

  • Swisher Sweets

    I like the idea of bad sport, it should help keep the trolls and grief squads out of your hair. Non the less bad sport sounds good on paper but it doesnt determine if your a defender, grief inducer, or just coming after someone for their bounty.
    Its just a flat rate of, its ok to spawn kill, get a VS KD of 20 kills to the other persons 1, but omg if you blow up their precious insured vehicle.. well ut oh your a bad sport, do that 3 or 4 times in a match to 3 or 4 different people.. or the same person.. you get the dunce cap of death.
    They should make it only bad sport you, as far as the insured vehicles go( cos lets face it most people roll around in their hot rodded mod cars) if you destroy one players specific vehicle more than 2 twice in a certain amount of in game play time enter bad sport warning number one. Keep it up to 5 or more times in a certain amount of play time than do the dunce cap ban for just a day. If they ended up being dunced more than 20 times in a month.. permanent dunce land.
    As far as getting labeled bad sport for shooting other free roam players. thats a tough one, because how do you determine if its just some guy spawn killing you, or its a legit bounty stake or a revenge kill eye for and eye type of deal. They give you all these tools for destruction.. but with the way the system is set up.. you dont dare use half of them.. your only choice is to run and gun it out, or just take your deaths. When the med bills were 2k,, that shit just sucked ass.. its the choice of take the bad sport, or just let them kill me and get billed 2k. Now that its 500 its not so bad.. but omg i lost so much money from being spawn killed over and over before the patch. Why is there no bad sport for the A-hole who kept doing that??

  • Reflx

    I agree with the passive mode thing. I spend $100 so that I’m not killed while I’m in between missions, I don’t like how there’s a way around this where someone could zoom by and run me over or toss a grenade beside my feet and still kill me. They NEED to fix this.

  • Christopher Columbus

    No, this is what GTA Single Player is all about. When you involve interacting with other people you will be considered an asshole if all you do is kill everyone. Freemode is NOT deathmatch for a reason. The game offers a Death Match mode if you want to simply run around shooting people like a giddy 12 year old who just learned how to beat his tiny d*ck.

    If running around killing everyone in sight is what GTA is all about, then can you explain why 50% of the players DON’T think to shoot each other? Instead they team together to have fun and play missions and enjoy making new friends. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been killed when I wasn’t even looking. I was just coming out of ammunation or driving to a destination in my car, then I see a white dot heading my way. Not even necessarily speeding towards me… I just pass by them. It starts with them turning around and following you and then you know they are going to kill you. Before you can react you are dead….then you span 2 feet away, kill them, then they spawn 2 feet away, RINSE & REPEAT until the idiot finally gives up and moves onto someone else.

    Not to mention this game is infested with cheaters who boosted their rank through exploits and are now Rank 150+ when the game has only been out less than 3 weeks. You ever notice how the people who feel confident enough to run around shooting everyone are the ones that are ridiculously high rank and have unlocked everything already?

    GTA is not a game of skill whatsoever. The fact that AUTO-AIM is enabled in multiplayer should tell you that. The person who wins a firefight is basically the one who spins in their direction first, presses the left trigger, and then presses the right trigger faster. There’s absolutely no aiming involved. Also suggesting that you “turn off autoaim” is pointless seeing as other players can still use it.

    This results in the SAME scenario in every server that contains a cheater. It’s one guy with a 10,000 bounty on him because he keeps calling for a tank and then simply drives around the map blowing everyone up. Even people who are not even looking for a fight and are trying to earn money LEGITIMATELY. Until some cheating loser shows up and messes up the game for everyone.

    ROCKSTAR NEEDS TO FOCUS ON BANNING CHEATERS & ADDING WAY MORE WAYS TO MAKE MONEY IN FREE-MODE. GET ON WITH THE CO-OP HEISTS ALREADY TOO! F*CK MICROTRANSACTIONS!

  • Christopher Columbus

    On top of all the bugs, missing features, and severe lack of good money making opportunities in both Freemode & missions, the #1 thing that bothers me is the community playing the game.

    Killing everyone is what GTA Single Player is all about. When you involve interacting with other people online you will be considered a douche if all you do is kill everyone. Freemode is NOT deathmatch for a reason. The game offers a Death Match mode if you want to simply run around shooting people like a giddy 12 year old who just learned how to beat his wang.

    If running around killing everyone in sight is what GTA is all about, then can you explain why 50% of the players DON’T think to shoot each other? Instead they team together to have fun and play missions and enjoy making new friends. They only attack if provoked or if someone has a bounty. You can also do 1 on 1 death matches for this very purpose.

    Killing someone who isn’t paying attention to you is NOT skillful. You’re a pathetic baby who just wants to pretend he bested someone and feel victory even if it’s phony. Usually it ends with me destroying them 10 times in a row and then they run away. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been killed when I wasn’t even looking. I was just coming out of ammunation or driving to a destination in my car, then I see a white dot heading my way. I purposefully DON’T shoot to show that I’m not a threat, but they shoot me anyway. Not even necessarily speeding towards me… I just pass by them. It starts with them turning around and following you and then before you can react you are dead….then you respawn 2 feet away, kill them, then they spawn 2 feet away, RINSE & REPEAT until the idiot finally gives up and moves onto someone else.

    Not to mention this game is infested with cheaters who boosted their rank through exploits and are now Rank 150+ when the game has only been out less than 3 weeks. You ever notice how the people who feel confident enough to run around shooting everyone are the ones that are ridiculously high rank and have unlocked everything already?

    GTA is not a game of skill whatsoever. The fact that AUTO-AIM is enabled in multiplayer should tell you that. The person who wins a firefight is basically the one who spins in their direction first, presses the left trigger, and then presses the right trigger faster. There’s absolutely no aiming involved. Also suggesting that you “turn off autoaim” is pointless seeing as other players can still use it.

    This results in the SAME scenario in every server that contains a cheater. It’s one guy with a 10,000 bounty on him because he keeps calling for a tank and then simply drives around the map blowing everyone up. Even people who are not even looking for a fight and are trying to earn money LEGITIMATELY. Until some cheating loser shows up and messes up the game for everyone.

    ROCKSTAR NEEDS TO FOCUS ON BANNING CHEATERS & ADDING WAY MORE WAYS TO MAKE MONEY IN FREE-MODE. GET ON WITH THE CO-OP HEISTS ALREADY TOO! F*CK MICROTRANSACTIONS!

  • Kieran Holley

    Wow i get bad sported for 4 days for blowing up 1 car in self defence, yet i saw someone destroy 10 cars in 20 mins and nothing happened. Rockstar are treating us like children

  • truffleshuffle

    This bad sport thing is stupid. I get relentlessly chased by people in there car and I fight back only to some how blow the car up. the bad thing is though they just come back at you and there in there car again and its either die or fight back and 9 time out of ten if you fight back you blow there car up. I am now in a bad sports lobby for the second time. The first time was because a friend got put in there for mistakenly blowing up my car during a mission so me and another guy joined him by blowing each other’s cars up. This time though it was because some dude followed me around while in my tank ramming me with his car and blowing it up so I ended up being the bad sport for him basicly blowing his own car up. I didn’t even fire a shot at him.

  • crow

    Yes they should re tune it to where you can blow up people cars only when you have a bounty and defending yourself .with or without a bounty self defense should be fine to blow up cars .

  • crow

    But as long as your not always blowing up peoples cars you should be good. Ive blown up 7 cars so far within my month of playing. And I’m still a good sport

  • Timothy Brown

    https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/rockstar-games-remove-the-bad-sport-system-in-gta-online

    Petition to take down bad sport.
    Why do we get separated from our friends for playing the game how it meant to be.
    we already have to pay for their car why do they need bad sport.

  • coolman

    I have 26000 and I can get this 26000 garage

  • egkid2

    I think the bad sport lobby is great. I kill people all day long regardless of bounty on that person, n have not once been put in bad sport. However I think nubs that use tanks n attack helicopters should b put in it. Or put ammo limits on both would make me happy. God knows I hate driving my cars into tanks just 2 get them kicked because of unlimited ammo. Let us use tanks n then let them run out of fuel or something. Same with helis. I know that is blashfamy but o well.

  • Darqan Hamileria

    They should make it so that you can still be invited to sessions by bad sport players, as one of my friends is a bad sport because he destroyed several shoot on sight tanks.

  • Dan Stewart

    The bad sport system in GTA 5 needs to get fixed or banned.

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