Bungie ‘Doesn’t Hate Xbox Fans,’ Studio Answers The Tough Questions

With the recent announcements of specific in-game Destiny content remaining exclusive to PlayStation gamers for the duration of one year, it naturally has left entire fan-base of gamers on the other side of the fence feeling a little left out.

Earlier, not only did we learn that content exclusive to PlayStation gamers at launch would remain exclusive until Fall of next year, it’s also been indicated in Bungie’s introduction of the Destiny Expansion Pass that additional DLC content would remain exclusive for a full year as well. Unsurprisingly, Bungie is facing significant backlash from a large group of gamers who also happen to have been primary supporters of the studio throughout Halo’s life cycle on the Xbox and Xbox 360.

In this week’s Bungie Update, Destiny community manager David “DeeJ” Dague attempted to answer the tough queston, “Why do you hate your Xbox fans?”

Here’s what he had to say, though the statement specifically refers to the community the studio is hoping to build in the social space and not exclusive content:

“We don’t hate any of our fans. When we look at Bungie.net, we see gamers. We dare say that we see Bungie fans – although that might be assuming too much. Loving a good game and the hard-working developers who create it is not a console exclusive. This is one place where Guardians will truly be equal. You’ll each have a chance to become legend on this site. Our hope is that we can use this environment to talk about the amazing experiences we will all have in common. Bungie has embraced many different platforms in our storied history. We have a hard time sitting still. Our goal has been to create amazing worlds and fill them with as many passionate people as possible. What we would tell you is that, if you want to explore the world of Destiny, it was built with you in mind. We make games here at Bungie. We love the people who play them equally.”

The exclusive content and DLC issue wasn’t quite addressed, but sometimes, business is business. After all, the entire Halo series was exclusive to Xbox prior to Activision’s acquisition of Bungie. Perhaps it’s nothing personal?

What do you think? Are you a Destiny fan on Xbox? Are you satisfied with Bungie and Activision’s answers and reasoning? Let us know in the comments.

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Bennijin

Nope.
Rick Kump

We knew there would be exclusive Destiny content the day the PS4 was announced in 2013. Why there’s a sudden freak out is both quizzical as much as it’s eye-roll inducing. Some of the people who had exclusive access to Bungie’s games for a decade are now wildly butthurt over not having a few bits of weaponry, armor, missions, and a few other incidentals….all in a massive game world full of all kinds of content to enjoy. To says it’s ridiculous is an understatement.
- MegaMan3k
  
  Exclusive content is bad for gamers.
  - Chris Rash
    
    Good for business which is what Microsoft and Sony are.
    - MegaMan3k
      
      Yes and I didn’t argue otherwise as you can plainly see in my comment.
      
      (Although, I do question whether timed exclusive content is worthwhile to the companies buying it)
      - Just saying
        
        It must be, because a lot of my friends who own Xbox One are getting the PS4-Destiny bundle.
      - Fernando
        
        Absolutely! It is really worth it indeed. That’s why they do it and they would do it even more seeing how passionate people get for such a silly thing.
  - Mike
    
    I agree with you but I’m willing to bet Microsoft was the first to implement exclusivity to dlc content.
    - http://www.facebook.com/datkidfromawendaw Clay Johnson
      
      Why is it always about who does what first taking precedent over the fact that both companies are doing it, and neither are doing anything to dissuade the other in stopping? Being the bigger man(or company here) is no longer a concept anymore I suppose.
- SupremeVishnu
  
  Well Sony doesn’t own Destiny, as Microsoft did the Halo series. So it is kind of disappointing that you have to wait a year for content they everyone paid for equally.
Pat Kolp

Who cares. To me it just reminds me of Halo anyways.
- Chris Rash
  
  You do apparently.
  - Pat Kolp
    
    No, not really. I don’t understand the hype for another halo type game from Bungie
    - Primey_
      
      They develop amazing games.
MegaMan3k

FWIW My interpretation of the Explorer’s Pass is that they will contain additional content on PS platforms, not that the entire DLC is a one year exclusive to PS platforms.
Matthew

Well, Xbox did get Halo exclusively…
- AL
  
  :cant tell if serious:
- Primey_
  
  Completely different thing to compare it to.
  - Fernando
    
    Hey if i complain because i can’t play Destiny on my mobile you will tell me to buy a console right?
    
    Well if you want to play its stuff soon then buy a Ps4.
    I had to buy a 360 to play halo and I didn’t complain.
    Its called marketing business you little kids.
    You will understand when you grow up, don’t worry.
    - AL
      
      Ok but did they tell you from the get go that you could play it on your mobile?
      
      Let’s go from a different angle… You bought a console because you like it, the exclusives, features, whatever. You buy this knowing that what you bought would play all the exclusives you want plus any multi-platform titles. Now the choice you made has consequences, be them good or bad pertaining to multi-platform titles that are by their nature supposed to be the same. Is that really how you want this gen to go?
      - Fernando
        
        I get your point and I appreciate your good reasoning but still it all seems to me quite childish to even argue about content being released sooner or later when its going to be released eventually on both platforms… Its just content for a game… You will survive without it man… Only kids should be bothered for such a nuance.
        
        http://www.facebook.com/datkidfromawendaw Clay Johnson
        
        But its content within content being withheld! Would you pay the same price for the same DLC only to realise you won’t get the full deal until a year later(at the very least amount of time)? If anything is absurd its that and it’s highly insulting to insinuate that people would be fine with this. Just for example, let’s say Battlefield 4 released Dragon’s Teeth on all platforms and then you find out that you only got two maps and half the number of weapons on your platform where as the other (we’ll say PC) gets the full expansions pack for a full year. Is that fair? Does that sound trivial that you as a gamer paying same cost expecting the same content in a DLC of things only to find that’s not the case.
        
        Another example is Far cry 4. It has this mechanic where a friend can join in on your game and help with fort takeovers despite not even owning the game. This is somehoq only possible on Playstation with no explanation(money) as to the the how of the matter? You honestly believe its trivial that an entire gameplay mechanic is being excluded from two other platforms just for playstation is fair and trivial for others to think elsewise? You either must love being screwed, or you’re the gamerr who doesn’t care either way as it doesn’t not negatively impact you neither directly nor indirectly
        
        Fernando
        
        First of all I admire your rethoric sir.
        But I can’t agree when you claim as unfair that Xbox users don’t get the same deal as Ps4 users.Here is why:
        
        Sony paid Activision to get a better deal for its clients.
        Microsoft didn’t.
        
        Why you assume xbox users have the right to get the same deal and at the same time if Microsoft didn’t pay for it?
        
        Of course you can be angry about it, but you should focus your anger at Microsoft for not getting a better deal for it’s clients, or else buy a Ps4 if timed exclusivity is such a big deal for you.
        You can’t blame Bungie for selling its products to the best payer, its business.
        
        http://www.facebook.com/datkidfromawendaw Clay Johnson
        
        “Why you assume xbox users have the right to get the same deal and at the same time if Microsoft didn’t pay for it?”
        
        Bruh, I’m here stating that the practice in general is wrong. Read my post again. In my reply to your response, I am only questioning your thoughts on the ethics of the general moneyhatting that these console manufactures do. I am not the one begging for anything, and I have not once in this thread argue about how Xbox users should get the same deal. Its not about the deal, its about the value of such for the other end. I simply asked you do you see it as fair that one group of gamers is expected to pay equal value, for less content in DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT. That is the subject of my response. Content within said content being exclusive for the length that it is, and gamers on the other end expecting to pay full price as the receiving end, because they “get it later” when the content will have become likely rrelevant the scope of things.
        
        Who paying who first for the deal is not the subject. That seems to be your general thinking, and paired with your apparent nonchalant attitude, answers my assumption.
      - NinoBr0wn
        
        *This* gen? lol
      - Fernando
        
        Look at it this way:
        Sony wanted Destiny as a completely exclusive title but Activision asked for too much money for it so they met half way and decided to make exclusive only some content and only for a long time instead of full exclusivity.
        How can you call that scary and a problem when the most likely alternative could have been a Ps4 only title?
        I think you just like to argue and I admit you do it quite well, but still you are making a big deal out of something so trivial.
        
        I want to believe that thanks to Bungie the exclusivity is just temporal instead of full because they know they can make more money this way.
        
        http://www.facebook.com/datkidfromawendaw Clay Johnson
        
        Fact of the matter is no sane gamer would cry about a game being an exclusive because it was announced from the beginning as such. Titanfall comes to my mind, only because it was only likely that it would come to PS consoles. It was announced a MS exclusive from the start, and then we find about the deal. Their next game (Titanfall or a new game) will be multiplatform and hopefully without any of the crap this game gets.
  - NuttyTheSquirrel
    
    No it is not. PC 2 Halo games. Halo was a Microsoft exclusive game that later turned into an Xbox exclusive game. (The 1st Halo also came out for Macintosh).
    
    And who the fuck asked that question? What a stupid fucking question. Why would a dev team HATE on a entire community, that’s like hating gay people just because they’re gay, or black people, but instead of being gay, black or whatever, they’re Xbox gamers…
    
    Most of Bungie’s known work was made on Xbox, so why would they hate the “place” that they pretty much grew their reputation?
  - MegaMan3k
    
    “The Last of Us isn’t an exclusive because it’s on Ps3 and Ps4 so it’s not an exclusive.”
    - Primey_
      
      Apple and oranges bud.
      - http://youtube.com/user/extremenameHD extreme_name
        
        Bananas and cucumbers.
      - MegaMan3k
        
        By all means, show the difference.
  - dieger
    
    PC got halo 1 & 2 only. 3 through 4 it got zip so yeah its xbox exclusive
- http://www.facebook.com/datkidfromawendaw Clay Johnson
  
  Well Playstation is getting The Order, and the developer isn’t even owned by Sony.
  
  Bungie was a first party developer for Microsoft, Halo was a first party game.
  
  Completely different.
  
  And to address Sunset Overdrive, the game would have been multiplatform were it not Sony wanting to buy the IP away from them. Insomniac wanted to put the game on PS4 as well but that disagreement drove them away. Blame Sony and their desire to own the IP of everyone who develops for them.
  - Not_true
    
    Wrong.
    - http://www.facebook.com/datkidfromawendaw Clay Johnson
      
      You?
      http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sunset-overdrive-exclusive-to-xbox-one-because-microsoft-allowed-insomniac-to-own-the-rights-to-its-creation/1100-6419558/
http://www.showtimeforfree.com/ miDnIghtEr20C

Nope. We can’t wait for Destiny. Halo is still here. Now there’s a new game. I guess Sony fans are just as pissed for Sunset Overdrive. No you say? Ya.. either are we. Just headlines from more of that hip “concern trolling” sweeping the net.
- Not_true
  
  Pretty much nobody cares that Sunset Overdrive is Xbox exclusive. Insomniac games rarely sold well even as Sony exclusives.
  
  The Sunset Overdrive petition has a whopping 159 signatures on it, out of ~8.6 million PS4 owners.
  
  Complaints about Destiny are massive in comparison, despite being limited to a small amount of timed content in a multiplatform game.
  - http://www.showtimeforfree.com/ miDnIghtEr20C
    
    Naw…. you playstation guys are the ones making a big deal. We are getting Destiny too. In 1080p no less.
    
    That’s right… the Sony guys are mad that it’s the same as on the PS4.. not that Insomniac left.
    - Not_true
      
      I don’t see anyone “mad” that they’re both running 1080p. PS4 will still have an advantage in framerate or visuals.
      - http://www.showtimeforfree.com/ miDnIghtEr20C
        
        And if it doesn’t? What will the excuse be that time?
        
        Not_true
        
        Forced parity, obviously.
        
        The fact is PS4’s hardware is more powerful for gaming graphics, no need to rewrite the laws of physics.
        
        http://www.showtimeforfree.com/ miDnIghtEr20C
        
        Oh brother…. Like there’s been any forced parity already. Resolutions anyone? Lol.. Sony fanboys like you want to make your cake and eat it too.
        
        There’s just no way a game made could run on the X1 and PS4 the same. Ha ha ha… Last gen must of sucked bad for you. Oh that’s right. You bought a 360 just for 3rd party games. Right. Would love to see those games you played.
    - Just saying
      
      Dude, you made me laugh so hard! You’re trying to make Xbox One look good against PS4 by any means!!! You don’t have to, though because the article is not about Destiny’s performance on consoles, it’s about Destiny’s exclusivity deal so stay on subject.
      - http://www.showtimeforfree.com/ miDnIghtEr20C
        
        Not really. I don’t need to do anything of the kind. The X1 is a fine console. Is it as powerful as the PS4? Of course not. Is it still a great console? Yes. Has some really good games. You want to talk about Destiny’s exclusive deal? Ok…. you’re going to crack up when you see what happens.
        
        Not_true
        
        All 3 consoles have good games and have their plusses and minuses. It’s only fanboys mindlessly trashing one or the other.
        
        http://www.showtimeforfree.com/ miDnIghtEr20C
        
        That’s exactly what you do!
        
        Not_true
        
        Wrong. I think XB1 has good exclusive games.
    - Jonah Thrillz
      
      Even the new CEO of Micro$oft admitted they cut corners and they won’t do it again.
      
      Basically at the end of the day you have a slow and cheap XBone console that will always come 2nd place in visuals and performance. Good luck with that and enjoy!
      - http://www.showtimeforfree.com/ miDnIghtEr20C
        
        A Micro$oft and Xbone all in the same comment. Great job. So far I haven’t played a third party game that played like Skyrim on the PS3.. or Black Ops for that matter. Ya.. not going to see that same kind of difference.
        
        Jonah Thrillz
        
        You must be denial.
        
        Sniper Elite 3 you will see the typical screen tearing: http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1146/3539/original.jpg
        
        Thief, BF4, Watch Dogs, Madden NFL, etc… All multiplatform games. All have frame rate drops and screen tearing.
        
        Even first party games like TitanFall have problems running on the weaker XBone hardware:
        
        http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-titanfall-next-gen-face-off
        
        http://www.showtimeforfree.com/ miDnIghtEr20C
        
        OMG.. you need to get updated. There’s a Vsync or whatever the hell it is option to turn on. I love that you use still shots to make it look worse than it is. Ya.. I’ll stick to what I said. There’s no games right now that were like Skyrim and Black Ops last gen.
        
        Jonah Thrillz
        
        Denial, denial, denial.
        
        Thankfully a lot of respectable sites have posted reviews on XBone games and there is a consensus: PS4 games run and look better.
        
        ‘Nuff said.
        
        http://www.showtimeforfree.com/ miDnIghtEr20C
        
        I don’t deny this game has those issues. Thankfully this game is a crap game that nobody cares about. Thankfully you can also switch on that option and not play any of what those pictures show.
        
        Again, 360 games did that to you last gen, but I’m sure you had fun on your PS3.
        
        Jonah Thrillz
        
        There is no way for an XBone to turn on the Vsync option. It’s not available otherwise all reviewers would be doing this. You’re coming up with silly notions about what the XBone can and cannot do.
        
        http://www.showtimeforfree.com/ miDnIghtEr20C
        
        False. I have personal friends who have this game. You can turn on the Vsync option. It’s there. I’ll try to find a link for you with an edit there. Maybe you’ll or someone else will find it before me. But it’s there.
        
        Jonah Thrillz
        
        Until you have proof it’s just a pipe dream.
        
        http://www.showtimeforfree.com/ miDnIghtEr20C
        
        You’re about to get owned…
        
        GameFaqs thread telling you were it is… http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/707654-/69556548?page=1
        
        Another comment in another page.. “Apparently they have put in a vsync option, which will result in no
        tearing, but lower fps and higher controller lag. DF didn’t capture any
        footage with that option enabled, as it’s obviously intended to be a
        60fps experience.” http://www.kotaku.com.au/2014/07/sniper-elite-3-on-xbox-one-vs-ps4-vs-pc/
        
        It’s all over the place. Google is your friend. It’s not a pipe dream, it’s called a patch. Games have them.
- Mike
  
  I could care less about Sunset Overdrive, looks somewhat dumb. No jealousy here, no offense.
sodapop01

I will not buy a season pass if I get less content for the same price. Now if bungie wants go give me the season pass for 5 or 10 dollars cheaper then I will think about it.
- MrMultiPlatform
  
  It’s not less. It’s just later.
  - Accridition
    
    Yeah, a year later when nobody is playing Destiny or gives a crap anymore.
    - Deciver95
      
      I don’t think that’s Bungiies intention. They seem to be putting quite a bit of effort in to make this game last more than a year. And its quite possible, if they update it similarly to GTA.
      Just think,lots of people stlll play Blops 2
      - Accridition
        
        GTA is a perfect example. Nobody I know has played it since last year. I still haven’t seen the content they promised a year ago for that (heists in multiplayer) and my friends and I have moved on. I’m just going to skip Destiny. I’m not waiting a year to play the same game that PS users get for their money on day 1. I’m just going to preemptively move on.
        
        AL
        
        Which is exactly the problem with all this stuff. You are making a decision because you feel you are getting less for your money and will miss out on a potentially great game because of it. This whole concept is no win for gamers.
        
        Will Hamlett
        
        Unfortunately I am willing to say that maybe XB fans need to not buy the game to show the suits this shit won’t fly.
        
        Fernando
        
        You don’t necessarily miss anything if you buy a Ps4, which is the intention in the first place. Lots of people havent bought a Ps4 yet (me included) and with this smart move by Sony they will buy a Ps4 for all the reasons you explained so well in your previous posts.
        And still you assume its a no win for gamers but only because you assume we all have an Xbox one… And owners of an Xbox one are a minority my friend.
        
        http://www.facebook.com/datkidfromawendaw Clay Johnson
        
        No lol he’s talking about the practice in general being no win, meaning as it happens on both sides, both sides will be feeling it. Here you are, again making it about PlayStation 4 which is why I ceased engaging with you.
        
        Even the smug feeling I get in your comment is speaking volumes, but you aren’t the first, nor the only one for that matter.
        
        Will Hamlett
        
        I don’t blame you at all…
        
        Celsius Sucks
        
        This is marketing. In the grand scheme of things, you’re one of many outcomes from this move by Activision/Bungie. There’s others who will see this and suddenly buy the bundle version of the game with PS4, there are some who will switch their preorders from Xbone to PS4. There are people who will chose to wait out the season pass and then there are your kind who will drop the game completely.
        
        Deciver95
        
        Fair enough. However it’s evident that yourself and I have different friend circles, As all my main group of friends play it most to every day we game, and even the 20 or on my friends list on psn do too. I still believe this game will be thriving a year after release, and I believe if small amount of content withheld from Xbox systems for a year is one of your main objectification for not buying this game, you’re being quite sensitive, you still get the whole package, just not some minor dlc
    - Will Hamlett
      
      +1 this. A year later is not good enough. 6 months would be unfair still, but it’s not a year. This game will not have that kind of community in 1 year, most games don’t.
    - Sams0n
      
      Do you really have that much A.D.D.?
      
      I’m pretty sure people played Halo longer than a year.
RustyFrags

I know Bungie doesn’t hate Xbox fans but giving content to PS a year early is absurd.
- Fernando
  
  Its called marketing business and its designed to make you buy a Ps4 over an Xbox one.
  Both consoles do this kind of stuff in order to earn money and beat the competence.
  If you don’t be understand any of the words ask your mum.
  - Joshua Hoffman
    
    I’m sure he realizes it. An entire year is still absurd. Hell what’s stopping Xbox one owners from just buying the game in a year, when its cheaper to get the DLC?
    - http://www.facebook.com/datkidfromawendaw Clay Johnson
      
      When, and how often has DLC price ever decreased permanently? All Call of Duty DLC are still the price at which they released. Guitar hero DLC before closure was still at starting price years later. DLC for Home front is still at original pricing and neither the publisher nor the developer exists anymore.
      - Joshua Hoffman
        
        Sorry I worded that incorrectly, I meant to refer to the actual game. That will be cheaper in a year, so buying the game with the dlc in a year will be an all around cheaper package than day one.
  - RustyFrags
    
    I know what marketing is, but that doesn’t change the fact that a year is still ludicrous.
    - Fernando
      
      Of course it is, that is why Sony paid them a n also ridiculous amount of money to keep it exclusive for a year.
      
      What you do by being shocked by that is as absurd as being shocked by the fact that lions kill zebras to eat them…
      - RustyFrags
        
        I am shocked by it, I’ll admit that. Quite frankly, I think a majority of Destiny purchasers are. A year of exclusivity has rarely, if ever, been seen before.
      - Russell Barlow
        
        The simple fact that money is involved doesn’t in any way even the value of the xbox and ps4 DLC.
        
        Understanding is not the same thing as approval. Really, it’s a special kind of idiot that remains indifferent when he knows he’s getting screwed.
        
        Following this logic someone could murder your whole family (like lions on zebra) and as long as they were paid for it you’d be fine with it. Oh, and if you were shocked or alarmed then you must just not understand capitalism.
        
        Fernando
        
        Now your talking. Refusing to buy it is the reasonable way to go if you don’t like the deal.
        What shocks me is that Xbox one owners complain and cry because they think that they have the “right” or are entitled to get the same deal as Ps4 owners.
        
        Sony paid Activision to get a timed exclusivity for their clients.
        Microsoft didn’t.
        
        Therefore Xbox users don’t have the right to say its unfair that they don’t get the same deal.
        If they are not happy with what they get they should either be angry at Microsoft for not getting a better deal than Sony or just not buy the game, or both, but they can not say its unfair.
        
        RustyFrags
        
        Of course we can say it’s unfair. Just because it’s simple business does not inherently mean we have no right to label something as unfair.
- Jonah Thrillz
  
  Absurd? Well seeing GTA 4’s DLC delay for PS3 was also absurd. Micro$oft paid into it and got it first. Sony gamers had to wait.
  It is what it is.
  - RustyFrags
    
    Has that actually been confirmed or is that just another “MS pays for things to be delayed in secret” conspiracy?
    - Jonah Thrillz
      
      Yes: “Take-Two Interactive’s Chief Financial Officer, Lainie Goldstein revealed that Microsoft was paying a total of $50 million for the first two episodes.”
      
      Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_IV#cite_note-74
Tom

Bullsh*t. Bungie is playing favorites as they were f*cked over by MS after Halo 3 came out (Bungie’s contract was for 3 Halo games, not 5, MS tried to throw them out, but money started talking) so I can see why Bungie would have a bit of animosity. But, alas, playing favorites is the norm in the Industry.

On a side note, I can’t wait for Destiny, I can’t wait for more Halo. It’s an awesome time to be a Gamer.
- Accridition
  
  Microsoft OWNED Bungie. You make it sound like they contracted to do 3 games and Microsoft wouldn’t own them anymore. That is not the case. In the end, Microsoft spun them off under threat that a lot of the talent would leave otherwise. So, yeah, I expect there is some lingering animosity on both sides there.
- Sams0n
  
  This is business, kid. Not high school.
- http://www.facebook.com/datkidfromawendaw Clay Johnson
  
  Because even though Bungie stated leaving on amicable terms, you just know not all don’t you
Mr. Steve

Honestly, I don’t think it was exactly Bungie’s decision to be Playstation-favored. Activision probably made the decision to receive more money, with Call of Duty (one of their assets) being Xbox-favored.
AL

So sick of people saying that xbox had halo. Halo was a console exclusive title. Never in the history of mulit-platform games has their been this level of disparity between the delivery of content on timed DLC release. People really need to stop comparing apples to oranges.

If you want to say its not their fault and its just business, I am inclined to agree, its always about the business. But you cant expect that xbox fans of bungie’s past games and long standing supporters of the community are going to not get upset by such a distance between content delivery. They are paying the same amount as PS4 users and getting less content for their money.

In finance there exists the time value of money. In a nutshell it states that getting a lump sum of money up front is better than over time because the amount you are receiving over time is generally depreciating in the sense that if you were to infest the lump sum at the time received it would generate more interest than the total amount you would receive over the same period of time.

To relate that to what is happening here, PS4 gamers are getting content up front when the game is still very relevant in the scope of a game’s lifecycle. That content is more valuable because of that and arguably contributes to the overall enjoyment of the game by those users. On the flipside, xbox users are getting that content over a longer period of time, making it less valuable and arguably less enjoyable an experience than they would have had on the PS4 for the same amount.

Whether you agree with it or not, you cannot refuse to acknowledge that xbox users are getting the short end of the stick. Its not bungie’s fault, but it doesnt make it any less alarming that it is happening and sets a very dangerous precedent for the future of timed DLC.

And before everyone goes and uses COD as their justification for how PS users have been screwed over in the past and this is just xbox’s just desserts, a 30 day timed exclusive on content does not in any way shape or form compare to a 365 day timed exclusive.
- Alex Melendez
  
  Might as well write a book lol jk but good points
- ddrhodes33
  
  Long answer, but well put. I agree
- Not_true
  
  Xbox has lots of 3rd party games not on PS4 (Ryse, Dead Rising 3, Sunset Overdrive, Titanfall, Scaleborne) and timed exclusive content on games like Inquisition, Evolve, The Division, CoD, etc.
  
  Despite this, some fans are asshurt because a multiplat has a bit of timed exclusive content and beta access on PS4. Imagine the meltdowns if Destiny actually was a PS4 exclusive.
  - AL
    
    Xbox fans are mostly upset about the difference in the product they are getting but paying equally for.
    - Raymond Featherston
      
      You mean like (albeit to a lesser extent) PS users do on many games. I for one am fairly upset about MS paying off EA for Inquisition timed exclusivity, I am paying the same price for that as Xbox users are. PS rarely gets things like this, and while a year is a bit much but I don’t really think Xbox users have room to complain extensively (complaining about the duration I can understand, but about the exclusivity in general is not something they really have room to complain about).
      
      PS users played the same money for COD and Skyrim also, but when we complained about that we were just chalked up as “jealous fanboys”. Not to mention the Xbox timed exclusive on PVZ:GW which is a whole game not just dlc, to me waiting months for a game I actually enjoyed is worse than waiting year for little meaningless DLC. Xbox players get stuff like this too, but the FANBOYS cannot handle it when the role is reversed. Take notice of how I bolded fanboys as I was not talking about all Xbox players.
      
      I personally don’t like timed exclusivity on either side.
      - AL
        
        The longer this discussion has gone on, the more and more I am seeing the impact of timed dlc and am really with you in that I think it is a stupid no-win practice for gamers.
        
        For me personally it’s taken the length of the timed exclusive in this case to show me how potentially devastating it can be for the gaming experience. Even if I don’t care about the DLC. If I am on the side that has to wait (if I am even aware, which arguably most are not) then I am perceiving my version of the game as lesser and thus devaluing the game in my eyes holistically.
        
        As a consumer that is not good for the industry as it could potentially affect my purchasing decision if I don’t own the version that is getting everything first.
        
        Very good points sir.
      - Will Hamlett
        
        All that stuff is bad and it needs to end on both sides….exclusive should NOT exist outside of first party.
      - http://www.facebook.com/datkidfromawendaw Clay Johnson
        
        I like your arguments, but to bebfair PS3 got plenty of exclusive content for a number of games. I can name 10 games off the top of my head in which PlayStation got FULL exclusive content for multiplatform games.
        
        Mass Effect 2, Street Fighter x Tekken, Far cry 3, Assassin’s Creed series Batman Arkham series, Saint’s Row the Third, The Amazing Spiderman, BioShock, Mirror’s Edge, Mortal Combat 9, LA Noire, and Red Dead Redemption. Again all of these games received full exclusive content never seen non Xbox or PC or Wii if there was a versio.
        
        Raymond Featherston
        
        You can get the dark horse comic on Xbox now l, at least I’m pretty sure. I would rule out MK9 also considering its exclusive content was first party based. I see your point however, but I bet if we went fishing we could find the same for Xbox (I never owned one so I cannot do it off the top of my head). MS’s exclusivity also seems to be on higher profile games that have more people purchasing them so the exclusivity hurts more, not saying the things listed above are not big titles but things like Skyrim and Call of Duty I am pretty sure reach more people (I am 100% sure about this with COD). The more popular the title (ala COD) the more people that are treated as second class citizens, and with that I am still firm in my belief that MS has the dirtiest hands when it comes to this.
    - Raymond Featherston
      
      Oh sorry for any difficulties in reading my comment, my Kindle likes to auto correct things that it shouldn’t.
  - Will Hamlett
    
    Titanfall was partially funded by MS that’s why the got it……same goes for Ryse, DR3, Sunset Overdrive, Scaleborne. If they fund the game they get it exclusive…that makes sense…Sony’s done it plenty of times….This is not a bit of stuff…that is a lot of timed exclusive content over the course of one year for someone not to get at the exact same price…said it before and I’ll say it again first party developed or paid for games should NOT be used in this argument…if you guys want to argue this point why not bring up GTA4’s episodes. PS didn’t get those for about 6 month’s I think……and that shit sucked too
    - Not_true
      
      They both do it. Yes MS funded those games but with PS4’s userbase nearly twice as large, they probably could have made the money MS gave them and then some if they went multiplat with games like Titanfall, etc.
      - Will Hamlett
        
        Again…them paying for a game and getting it exclusive is NOT the same as game being multiplatform and giving most of its DLC to one platform for a year. At least with a console exclusive there is no ambiguity as to what is happening, you are simply not getting it…period. Trust me I went through it with Titanfall (only own a PS4). But would have been mad as hell if we did get Titanfall and they told us the that some of DLC was not coming for a frickin year…some true bs….They have a reason to be salty about this.
        
        Not_true
        
        But PS4 hasn’t gotten Titanfall at all yet. Until Titanfall 2 launches.
        
        Will Hamlett
        
        Why would they when they put money on the table for Titanfall to be made. You are missing the point man….Microsoft PAID, to whatever extent; for this game to be made. Which entitles them to exclusivity. As a matter of fact Sony had the opportunity to fund Titanfall and they passed on it…so blame Sony for that. Sony did not pay to have destiny made (thus it is multiplatform) but yet they are getting all this extra content and Xbox owners are being asked to pay the same for less. We (PS owners) never had to pay a dime for Titanfall because it’s just not coming to PS, which sucks but hey it’s an exclusive game (until part 2). Xbox owners are buying the same game at the same price and the same dlc at the same price and getting shafted on the value of the dlc…that’s the ultimate problem here never has there been a situation where Microsoft got exclusive content within the downloadable content on this level…this whole business practice is bad for games and gamers.
        
        Andre Gouvea
        
        Actually it was EA that help funded the company on their project!! (Respawn).
    - Jonah Thrillz
      
      True. Yet people fail to understand Respawn were former developers from Activision. The two developers in question were in a bitter court battle with Activision. Micro$oft along with EA helped secure TitanFall as an exclusive to compete with the Call of Duty franchise.
      
      Do you think Activision was happy about that? This timed DLC agreement with Sony was a shot fired back at Micro$oft for helping Respawn. Nothing more and nothing less.
      
      Xbot fanboys need to understand this is competition and shit happens. Be happy that you’ll eventually get the content next year even if you have to pay for it now.
      - Will Hamlett
        
        Uhh…those guys left because Activision wanted them to make COD and nothing more. They didn’t like that and they left plain and simple. MS put up the money for Titanfall after Sony said no. That’s a well documented fact. Activision took this deal because they are scumbags, period. Same reason they took money from MS for COD timed exclusives.
        
        Side note: I love when fan boys try to call me a fan boy. I’ve said repeatedly that I have a PS4(I don’t have to wait for shit!). I’m only going in on this shit because it’s bad for gaming period. I don’t like it at all. Mark my words the morons who are ok with this are in for a big surprise because it only gets worse from here.
        
        Jonah Thrillz
        
        Then you might as well label ALL publishers “scumbags” as they’re more than willing to do exclusives if the price is right. It’s business.
  - William
    
    That may be true, however for almost all of Bungies revenue (prior to Destiny) has been off of Halo an Xbox exclusive game. And now they are saying, “you know all those people who’ve shown us undying support for the past ten years, fuck them”. It all comes down to corporate decisions that will make them the most money and that shouldn’t be what Bungie is about. And please don’t try to downplay the amount of time of the exclusive dlc. 30 days is a bit of a timed exclusive, 1 year is long ass time to wait for a dlc.
  - Justin Adams
    
    I don’t th ink you understand what ‘third party’ means. Ryse, Dead Rising 3, Sunset Overdrive, Titanfall, and Scalebound are all -SECOND PARTY- games. Not third party. They are games produced with money provided by Microsoft.
    
    Destiny isn’t being produced with money from Sony. It is a third party game. And it is providing far less parity of content than any AAA multi-console game ever has. It -IS- different.
    
    Nobody expects From Software to put their next game on xbox, because it is being produced with Sony’s money. Nobody expects Scalebound to come to come to PS4 because it is produced with Microsoft’s money. massive amounts of extra content being provided free of charge to PS4 players is a big deal since Sony isn’t the one paying for that extra content.
- Fernando
  
  Its called marketing business and its designed to make you buy a Ps4 over an Xbox one.
  Both consoles do this kind of stuff in order to earn money and beat the competence.
  If you don’t be understand any of the words ask your mum.
  - AL
    
    I understand the words but not the way you used them. Consoles use things like controller design, features, subscription benefits and exclusive titles to market themselves. Consoles have also been using short term timed exclusive content to position multi-platform games as more exclusive than they actually are.
    
    Before destiny, the timed exclusive deals were pretty much limited to terms do 30 days or less. By having content that is exclusive for 365 days, they are essentially creating content that might as well be exclusive, given the average shelf life for games. This is not a win for either console as it sets a precedent that allows publishers and manufacturers to turn multi-platform games into console specific versions. That is a scary concept as we all pay the same amount to play the games.
    - TheEmissary
      
      It happens way more than you think. The Skyrim DLC was delayed or exclusive to Microsoft platforms for almost 6months. The GTA4 DLC was exclusive to 360 for almost a year. There are more examples if you dig for them.
      - Will Hamlett
        
        yeah but when you got to buy that dlc you got all of it not part now and the rest a year later. Or they just didn’t offer it all which less insulting.
      - http://mp1st.com/ David Veselka
        
        I think you and AL are seeing eye to eye. All of your examples, including his, equally suck (as in the suck for gamers).
        
        Obviously, the situation with Destiny is a bit magnified, being one of the highest-profile AAA launches in recent history. The worst part is that we’re telling publisher and developers that these practices are okay by throwing our wallets at them.
        
        Side note: To my understanding, Skyrim’s DLC was delayed on PS4 as long as it was due to technical difficulties. Was originally supposed to be a month, I think?
    - Krashman Von Stinkputin
      
      AL makes good points that this practice could have an increasing ripple effect as MS/Sony starting bidding on extensive timed exclusives–which is much cheaper than developing a game with an internal studio.(Or owning a studio for that matter,)
      
      It’s a smart move by Sony–especially at the beginning of this 8th generation of consoles when questions about whether we are truly getting a “next-gen” experience are arising. In the end Sony wants to get as many PS4’s in our living rooms as fast as possible.
      
      This is just the next worst evolution of game release methods since the “Premium Membership”, the “Pre-Order” & “fix after release” that have run rampant. All designed to separate US from our $$–selling us on an “expectation” not a “tangible reality” (see BF4 as a recent example)
      
      As gamers, we will get used to it,eventually come to expect it–and ultimately defend it.(again see BF4 as a prime example)
  - Timothy Trembley
    
    “and beat the competence”? I think you are the one that doesn’t understand words…
    - Fernando
      
      Ooops sorry I meant the competition, the business rivals.
      
      Im not a native speaker of English…. 😛
      But you got my point right?
- Lowe0
  
  Time value of money is explicitly dependent on the utility of money – you can invest it, pay down interest-accruing debt, etc.. What utility does game content have? Well, in a multiplayer game, that’s dependent on Metcalfe’s Law: that the value of a network is proportionate to all of the potential connections that can be made, in this case, to the fellow gamers that have the content. Since a PS4 player can’t connect to an Xbox One player, nor vice versa, the effect on value is nonexistent.
  - AL
    
    Actually utility speaks to satisfaction and if the overall satisfaction is less on one side due to the duration of the timed exclusive then it does in fact have less value. And connections can be extraneous in that because I know that I am getting less content or over a longer period of time I have established that link in so far as I perceive my version to be lesser regardless of the p2p connections available.
    
    Still a good point though!
  - Will Hamlett
    
    True, except in a year no one will care about the missing dlc because they wont be playing the game anymore. Hopefully they wont have paid for that crap by then.
- TheEmissary
  
  Actually this goes on more than you care to admit. Last generation Sony paid for timed exclusivity (2-weeks) for the Battlefield 3 DLC and this generation Microsoft paid to have Battlefield 4 DLC Second Assault as a timed exclusive. Microsoft also last generation had a timed exclusivity window for GTA4 DLC as well. So don’t act like this is something unique or new this generation. Both sides play this game.
  - AL
    
    It’s really the length of the timing that is new and it’s concerning as a consumer. I only see this getting worse for both sides and I think it’s important that it be a big deal now so it has some potential to be averted in the future. Doubt that it will happen because when the sales figures show people are going to but it anyway, companies will just feel as justified in their marketing campaign and continue to do it bigger so that it’s more effective.
    - TheEmissary
      
      The GTA4 DLC was exclusive for a year to the 360. This included the new MP modes as well. The PS3 and PC versions got it year later. These kind of exclusive deals go on all the time with different games you just may not always notice them.
      
      They can get away with this because we ultimately let them. Most gamers don’t follow through with their boycotts and are easily swayed by slick hype-fueled marketing. If we actually held them to account for this where it actually matters in the pocketbook this will stop.
      - Will Hamlett
        
        I agree but asking people to pay them same for less at the same time is a new kind of low.
- Sams0n
  
  TL;DR Microsoft gets some exclusives, Sony gets some exclusives. 8 paragraphs of blah blah blah .
- http://mp1st.com/ David Veselka
  
  Well said
- Just saying
  
  You’re totally taking this in the wrong direction. yeah, it’s not bungie’s fault nor Activision because Sony is paying like MS in other games to get exclusive content but the reason behind this is simple. Sony has said it and I’ll say it again, Destiny will play better on PS4. That’s the reason so you, as a Xbox user, will think of getting PS4 and I must say that it worked perfectly. Lots of my friends who have Xbox as their primary console chose to switch to PS4 to get the best experience out of Destiny and also because of the talk that it will be literally better on PS4 (not sure about this but I have a PS4). What I mean simply is that it’s not about hate or love, it’s strictly about profit.
  - Howie Kemple
    
    I’m looking at this and saying this:
    The only reason Destiny is better on the PS4 is BECAUSE of exclusives. There are no difference in the graphics or mechanics between the two, other than the difference that the Xbox can handle a heavier load. Minus the exclusives, the game is better on the Xbox One than the PS4, and the on the Xbox 360 than the PS3.
    - Just saying
      
      You started off good that both consoles have minor if any differences at all then your fanboy part kicked in and favored Xbone over PS4 for a reason that doesn’t exist. Both consoles run the game smoothly in 1080p @30 fps so what’s your point? One more thing, do you realize that this comment was 1 year ago?!
      - Howie Kemple
        
        The heavier load is completely true. Xbox One has better Specs than the PS4. Xbox has a higher guaranteed memory and a better processing. This means you can do more on the Xbox that the PS4. Other than the heavier load, they are the same, but being able to run Twitch better on the Xbox one is why it is better exclusives aside.
        As for 1 year old, I overlooked that.
        
        Just saying
        
        Well, I respect your opinion but several tech websites already concluded that PS4 has a slightly better specs in regard that it has GDDR5 unlike Xbone’s GDDR3 but that is not giving PS4 a huge advantage although several games reached 1080p @30fps on PS4 while being 900p or 720p on Xbone. In the real world though, this doesn’t affect the gamers because the difference is so small that you can’t notice it. All I’m saying is that both are great although I would’ve loved them to at least reach 1080p @60fps so that’s a letdown. By the way, I’m not by any means trying to bias towards PS4, I’m just stating what I read around the internet. My opinion is simply that both are great and it depends on personal preference.
- Devin Thayer
  
  Bungie stinks pc answer.
- Dr When
  
  Well said you beautiful bastard
KennyKyle

yet no pc gamers
Jonah Thrillz

A lot of crying Xbot fanboys.

You do have a choice. Buy the DLC next year. You won’t have to wait on the content as it’ll be available to all Xbot users. Plus it’ll likely be cheaper. That’s what I do with CoD’s DLC map packs.
- Mike
  
  Hint hint the guy above us.
  - Jonah Thrillz
    
    I don’t think miDnIghtEr20C is smart enough to take a hint.
- http://www.showtimeforfree.com/ miDnIghtEr20C
  
  I think it’s funny you guys think it’s a Year.
xHDx

It’s probably the same reason why a new PS4 console is being released too, and the fact that Sony is trying to get as many titles over their side. It’s financially struggling and has been for a long time. If I had PS4, I’d be worried, very worried infact because Sony has had problems for quite a few years and it can only end one way. Making a $60 on their console doesn’t help either.

I think Bunjie are trying to get as much income as possible through this game, with it being their first, 3rd party game on multiple platforms. And from the money they got from halo, it doesn’t surprise me how big Destiny is. If it wasn’t for us, they wouldn’t have a game as big as what they do. That’s always something to fall back on.
- Deciver95
  
  I own a ps4, and am not scared. It’s a struggling company but the Playstation brand is doing quite well. I just think this is business, and Activison is trying to pull more money, as they do with COD
  - xHDx
    
    Activision don’t deserve to publish games, at least in my eyes. They’re a disgrace. They’ve lost 50% sales since BO2 with Ghosts.
    - Jonah Thrillz
      
      Wait till you see EA’s sales for this year kid.
      - xHDx
        
        At least EA make an effort producing good games. It’s the bugs that ruin it, not the underlying experience. COD is just terrible even without bugs.
- Not_true
  
  Sony isn’t going bankrupt, stop spreading ignorant FUD and BS.
  
  PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. PS4 will make a net profit and Sony won’t go bankrupt.
  - xHDx
    
    FUD and BS? Really?
    I don’t know if you’ve been living under the rock for the past few years but you’re in denial. They’ve been struggling for a long time and they are continuing to struggle. Unless they do something drastic, they will be bought out or abandoned. PS4 won’t have any graphics advantage at all, at least not in 3rd party games. I wouldn’t be so sure. Sony are failing and failing badly.
    - Not_true
      
      If they’re both running at the same resolution the Xbox version will have lower framerate, more screen tear, and/or less visual effects, or the PS4 hardware isn’t being pushed. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.
      
      Anyone with technical knowledge knew PS4’s game graphics performance would be better for the entire generation as soon as the specs were official. That was well over a year ago. Apparently it’s taking some people a LONG time to come to terms with reality.
      
      Sony is taking the right steps to recover including ditching or separating their losing divisions like Vaio and TV. Sorry, you’re going to have to grasp at some other straw.
      - xHDx
        
        Nope. lol. No they won’t. You probably have no idea how it’s going to pan out. In 2015, I doubt many games will be running 1080 or 60fps at all… Destiny won’t be much difference on either console this time because they’re both 30fps. How are they going to be better for the entire generation when neither of the consoles will be able to handle games coming out in 2015/2016? LOL.
        You have no idea what you’re talking about.
        
        Sony did take the right steps to recover, but it still doesn’t balance out. lol. Yes Vaio computer business has gone and the TV’s are probably going to go too. I don’t think I need to grasp another straw, because it still hasn’t helped them in any big way.
        
        Not_true
        
        Destiny on PS4 will run at a higher average framerate, less/no screen tearing, and better visual effects.
        
        Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +540 GFlops (40% greater) or more, +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support (volatile bit and onion+ gpu cache bypass bus), better performing CPU, faster unified memory, and less OS overhead.
        
        Every console or gaming device has a power budget that can be put towards resolution, framerate, or visual effects. PS4 has a higher total budget than Xbox, and good PCs have an even higher budget.
        
        Forza 5 or Horizon 2 would run better on PS4, and Driveclub would run worse on Xbox. Quantum Break would run better on PS4, and The Order would run worse on Xbox.
        
        xHDx
        
        Thanks for the total BS first sentence. Both version run 1080p/30fps lol. and you have no idea what effects and stuff go into the game.
        
        And nice copy and paste, but again it won’t make much difference after this year, lol. No matter what you say. It doesn’t have as much higher budget as you think. That would apply if the games ran with the same API with the exact same everything that goes into the game, which it doesn’t.
        
        Forza 5 and Horizon 2 wouldn’t run on PS4 because Sony doesn’t have the servers to support the devs. Every game on XB1 has access to dedicated servers for free by MS. Not on PS4 though lol. You’re taking some pretty risky guesses but they wouldn’t work. You couldn’t have Drivatar tech which works better than any other racing AI system I have come across.
        
        Not_true
        
        Completely wrong. PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs.
        
        Remote servers aren’t exclusive to MS.
        
        It’s going to be a very long gen of delusion, denial, and spinning for you.
        
        xHDx
        
        No it won’t lol. I didn’t say you can overcome a hardware performance gap with drivers. Are you blind? lol. The games on last gen were the exact same even though PS3 had a better processor… but yet you still can’t face the fact.
        
        Neither did I say remote servers are exclusive to MS. I said Sony doesn’t have them like MS does. No where near what MS has. Neither does Sony have any cloud power like MS has demonstrated.
        
        Also please learn correct English.
        
        Not_true
        
        PS3/360 have nothing to do with PS4/XB1. PS3 was slightly more powerful than 360 but very hard to code for. PS4 is both much more powerful AND easier to code for. There will be no parity between PS4/XB1 games visuals.
        
        Digital Foundry proves that PS4 multiplat games consistently run at higher res, framerate, and/or visual quality.
        
        xHDx
        
        No, the game company proves nothing. After 2014/15, games will look so good that neither console will see a difference in the looks of each game. It’s obvious. You have no proof of anything. You just talk a load of bull. Haha. Maybe read the comments carefully before talking a load of crap lol?
        
        Not_true
        
        Completely wrong. PS4 games will always have an advantage in console visuals if the hardware is being pushed.
        
        xHDx
        
        Tell me how then. You’ve been ‘Completely wrong’ for a long time.
        
        Not_true
        
        Scroll up.
        
        Grif
        
        *Clap clap clap* Well done, you have successfully burned him.
        
        xHDx
        
        That doesn’t tell me how lol. Thats just complete bs lol.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/user/MasterRocketPro MasterRocketPro
        
        You just got owned fanboy.
        
        xHDx
        
        Anoth buthurt fanboy whining?
        
        https://www.youtube.com/user/MasterRocketPro MasterRocketPro
        
        Haha I have PS4 and XB1 and I like them both. Just give up.
        
        xHDx
        
        Give up? Nope because he’s still wrong. You’d be even more stupid to believe him. lol.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/user/MasterRocketPro MasterRocketPro
        
        You are both wrong about some things. He is wrong about the framerate for instance. They are both running 1080p 30fps. The june update made the xbox much more powerful.
        
        Not_true
        
        I said “average framerate”, not target framerate.
        
        Average framerate is the framerate averaged over a typical play session. “30 fps” is just a bullet point.
        
        For example both could be called 1080p 30 fps on the back of the box, but in actual performance PS4’s average FPS could be 27 while XB1’s could be 20.
        
        In other words the PS4 version will have less framedrops from 30 fps during gameplay.
        
        xHDx
        
        It wuld be interesting to see your source. i think you pulled most of your facts out of your arse tbh lol.
        
        Not_true
        
        http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-sniper-elite-3-face-off
        
        Here’s the most recent multiplat comparison.
        
        Sniper Elite is labeled “1080p 60 fps” for both PS4 and XB1, but PS4 version has higher average framerate (less drops from 60), no screen tearing, better AF, and better AO.
        
        Expect something similar for Destiny. Both labeled “1080p 30 fps” but PS4 will drop from 30 fps less, and have better visual effects.
        
        xHDx
        
        That would now be invalid considering XB1 received a 10% GPU boost when SE3 was already done and shipping so they wouldn’t have used it. I wouldn’t be too keen on the better animations and effects. 10% might not sound like much but it is if you think about it properly.
        
        I know you probably don’t believe in the Cloud on the MS platforms which has already been demonstrated for Crackdown 3, but there is also the likes of DX12, 13 and the others that they will fit into this generation. Although they don’t get as much love as PC but it does make an effect for the better. Sony doesn’t get that. In-fact Sony had to use a DX11.2 Feature set I believe to get their games where they are now. I can’t see how it’s going to improve on Sony’s side apart from OpenGL.
        
        Not_true
        
        Even with the full 1.31TF available from the GPU, PS4 is still 1.84TF or +540 GFlops. The gap is nowhere near closed and never will close.
        
        PS4 doesn’t use opengl it uses proprietary APIs. PS4 has plenty of room for optimization in terms of GPGPU, hUMA-like features, and unified memory.
        
        Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will stay ahead in graphics performance.
        
        xHDx
        
        No, you’re wrong. PS3 Didn’t stay ahead last gen even though it had processor which was way ahead of Xbox 360’s Processor.
        
        Regardless of that, PS4 does use OpenGL and their own Shader Language with a mix of D3D 11.2. You say they can optimize… XB1 can optimize. Also, a lot of the games are ported from PC, and off-course teh Xbox uses full DirectX as it’s main API, so it’s easier to port the games over to XB1 vs PS4.
        
        It doesn’t matter if Sony or MS has world class coders. It only effects their 1st party studios, so the opposing platform wouldn’t work those games even if the Graphics were higher on PS4. 3rd Party devs don’t pour to much more into their games. Also, if the PS4 has another 1/4 of the power of the GPU, the PS4 doesn’t have much to show for it. A slight resolution raise and frame rate raise. Not enough to even make a difference.
        
        Not_true
        
        PS3 was slightly more powerful than 360 but very hard to code for. PS4 is both much more powerful AND easier to code for. There will be no parity. Games like Uncharted 3 and The Last of Us were technically superior to anything on 360.
        
        PS4 does not use opengl you are WRONG.
        
        Keep trying to downplay PS4’s power advantage, nobody sane cares about your misinformed fanboy opinions.
        
        xHDx
        
        lol halo 4 looked more stunning than TLOU on those consoles by far and none of the Halo’s recieved any large frame drops, not even Halo 4. I’ve saw both of them and you’re wrong.
        
        No, I mean it has features very similar to OpenGL/ES in it’s libraries but uses 2 API’s instead of one. A wrapper API which helps with re-occurring tasks so the main API doesn’t suffer. The other, low-level API which obviously feeds the game and directly to the GPU.
        
        Nobody cares? you keep coming back and trying to prove me wrong. if you think there is going to be any large difference between the consoles performance, you’re wrong. Lmao.
        
        http://www.showtimeforfree.com/ miDnIghtEr20C
        
        There’s always an excuse when it comes to the Playstation right? Must of been a really tough gen for you last gen with the 360 getting the better 3rd party games. Thanks for letting us all know the less powerful console had the better 3rd party games last gen.
        
        Raymond Featherston
        
        That’s subjective, I personally did not care for many of the Xbox exclusives last gen.
        
        Not_true
        
        I bought a 360 for better multiplats, actually. 360 multiplats ran better early on, about even mid gen, then some multiplats ran better on PS3 late gen (GTA V).
        
        Sorry you’re so asshurt at PS4’s more powerful console hardware that you have to act like a fanboy child.
        
        http://www.showtimeforfree.com/ miDnIghtEr20C
        
        Sure you did.
      - Mike
        
        Xbox 1 Rulez becuze we [email protected] da CLOUD!
        
        Not_true
        
        lol
        
        xHDx
        
        It’s a shame you guys don’t. Ohh wait it’s been demonstrated in several games and fully at a Build event but you still can’t admit it lol. Must hurt so bad for you guys. Lmao.
      - http://www.showtimeforfree.com/ miDnIghtEr20C
        
        Funny. We just watched the beta on the X1 last night and it looks and runs exactly the same so far. Can’t wait for the final version. COming back to this article to watch this Not True master of the Sony fanoy eat some crow. It must make you mad this game is running at 1080p on the X1. Wait? I thought the X1 couldn’t run games at 1080p you guys say?
        
        Oh.. now move some goal post about it. From it CAN’T do 1080p to oh..well. some stuff is missing.
        
        LMAO.. it must of stung so bad last gen for you guys. I can understand the need to get back at the Xbox fan. We rocked your guys world last gen.
        
        Not_true
        
        PS4 version of destiny will have higher average framerate, possibly less tearing depending on v-sync settings, and better visual effects, or its stronger hardware isn’t being pushed. That’s reality.
        
        It will not run “exactly the same” if PS4’s stronger hardware is being pushed.
        
        You are wrong, ignorant, childish, and delusional. Glad to see you’re still banned at neogaf, hopefully it’s permanent.
    - Jonah Thrillz
      
      You fail in basic business acumen. I suggest you take up some Economics courses before you post anything more. You’re embarrassing yourself scrub.
      - xHDx
        
        Ohh im embarrasing myself. Really? How is that? Another but hurt fanboy in denial. Cool, you’re the one crying not me. Explain how I fail in basic business acumen. Stop crying or go home…
        
        Jonah Thrillz
        
        Sony is doing just fine with its Entertainment and Insurance divisions. The consumer electronics division, which everyone is more familiar with, is the only one that’s in trouble but that’s something which can be resolved. Sony is in no way shape or form nearing bankruptcy.
        
        Is that simple enough for you to understand child?
        
        xHDx
        
        Sony is doing fine with good few divisions but it has more divisions failing than more divisions prospering. It’s been said many times and it’s all over the internet. The consumer electronics division is split into a lot more divisions and not just branded as consumer electronics. If you don’t believe it is getting closer to bankruptcy then you must be blind.
        
        Child? What, was that meant to prove me wrong? You’re trying to tell me that Sony hasn’t been or isn’t falling? Much Denial. Such Wow.
        
        Jonah Thrillz
        
        You claim to know of Sony financial situation. So tell me, when are they going bankrupt?
        
        They certainly hit a home run with the PS4 while Micro$oft is failing with its XBone. In addition to the terrible smartphone and tablet lineup. More write offs than you can shake a stick at.
        
        xHDx
        
        I didn’t think it took a Genius to do a Google search for the predictions. MS Xbox One isn’t failing, and Sony even admitted in an interview that they would had a very similar DRM policy compared to MS. It’s right there for you to read. Go search it yourself, if you’re so interested.
        
        Jonah Thrillz
        
        Wrong. Sony never intended to have a DRM policy. You can do a Google search. They came out with this just a few days ago at a developers conference.
        
        M$ was arrogant and thought they could ram anything through because of their perceived win last gen. They thought wrong.
        Unfortunately they are starting to sneak some of their DRM tactics one piece at a time and US consumers are not seeing it.
        
        xHDx
        
        Hmm really?
        http://www.technobuffalo.com/2014/07/10/sony-changed-its-e3-2013-script-after-negative-xbox-one-blowback/
        
        No, MS wasn’t ignorant, it’s the fact that people whine whenever change comes along. What’s wrong with DRM? lol. People talk about it like it’s going to kill the console community. Steam has it and I can bet most people use their computer to browse the web on the computer than not use the internet at all on their PC.
        
        Yeah I hope they do sneak it in because there is nothing wrong with it. If you can give me a descent explanation as to what is wrong with DRM, then fair enough. LOL.
        
        Jonah Thrillz
        
        That writer is an idiot. He didn’t even correctly interpret Andrew House’s explanation.
        Go here for the real details: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-07-09-microsofts-pr-blunders-caused-sony-to-re-write-e3-playstation-4-script?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialoomph
        
        Sony rewrote the speech to EMPHASIZE their stance on DRM. They never had any intention of implementing DRM at all.
        
        xHDx
        
        Yeah but that makes not one bit of sense. They wouldn’t rewrite their speech if there wasn’t anything wrong with it in the first place.
        
        Also, I don’t understand why DRM hasn’t arrived on consoles yet. Piracy has gone on for years on consoles and it’s never changed. Developers just lose sht tons of money over it.
        
        I welcome DRM because it stop cheap-skates from getting them illegally. There are ways around DRM but it won’t really be sustainable enough to create the whole that Piracy created.
        
        That’s one of the reasons I like Microsoft over Sony. They change things up. They change the console and that’s the way I like it. I’d rather have DRM over non-DRM. Simple.
        
        Jonah Thrillz
        
        *sigh* It’s just a way to reiterate their policy. To remind people again they don’t implement the DRM Micro$oft had in mind.
        
        I didn’t say Sony had no DRM. All last gen and next gen consoles have some form of DRM for protecting against software piracy.
        
        Micro$oft wanted to go ALL DIGITAL. Which meant no selling of used discs. No disc rental. No way to borrow a friend’s disc to for an extended period of time. A LOT OF HASSLE. Just to make you feel like a criminal.
        
        xHDx
        
        Sony didn’t intend to go all digital at all. At least they were planning on releasing a disc-based version console. Here’s where you don’t see why they would go all digital. The family sharing feature.
        
        You can share all of your games with 10 people in your friends list so they can play them for free. That way you could borrow your friends game for as long as you like and there would be no need for rentals or selling of discs. If you don’t like the game, you wouldn’t buy it.
        
        Jonah Thrillz
        
        So if I don’t know anyone who has an XBone then I’m screwed out of rentals?
        
        What about used games? I can’t buy them no more?
        
        You gotta be crazy to accept Micro$oft’s idea of DRM. Thankfully the majority has spoken. Even Micro$oft admitted this and reversed policy.
        
        xHDx
        
        So if you don’t know anyone who has Xbox One then you’re screwed? Well you can make those things called friends, or MS would probably introduce Digital Rentals like films have, if there were enough people going digital. not sure if you’ve heard of them or… Pathetic excuse. lmao
        
        lol how can you buy a ‘used’ digital game. lmao. No, that would be silly. Why said it has to be MS though? Any game site could offer them digitally with s simple download code. Devs lose money because of this anyway.
        
        Not really. Steam already has this and it works perfectly. You can’t get a refund on steam and you can’t rent games. Still works perfectly. Looks like we’re gonna be living in the past because people are scared to move onto something new.
    - Not_true
      
      It’s sad PS4 is dominating so badly that microsoft fanboy shills are left desperately wishing Sony would go bankrupt. Keep dreaming, it’s not happening.
      
      Sony has revenue of $75+ billion yearly, $149+ billion in total assets, and $27+ billion in total equity. They are still one of the largest corporations in the world with 145,000+ employees and ranked #94 on the Fortune 500 2013.
      
      Sony is selling or splitting off their lossy businesses (Vaio, TVs) and focusing on their profitable divisions. This means they’ll soon cut their losses and start turning a profit. You should be worried if Sony WASN’T cutting those losing divisions, but they’re making the right business decisions. They won’t ever be an empire again but they aren’t going under.
      
      The gaming division and first party studios are well funded, are in a net profit, and working on PS4 games. During the quarter ending 31st December 2013 the Game business made a profit of $172m off the back of an impressive 64.6 per cent rise in sales year on year. Sony is in for a year or two of losses and restructuring, then provided their profitable divisions stay profitable, they’ll be on solid ground.
      
      Sony is still worth 18.5 billion (in market cap). They just aren’t bringing in enough revenue or profits to bring that number up, and for a time, and probably for a few quarters here or there for the next few years, they might lose money. They also obviously have working capital, because they have games in development right now, and are able to market their newest system and do what they have to do to sell their products. If Sony were on the brink of bankruptcy, we wouldn’t be seeing AAA game announcements with budgets ranging from $50-100 million dollars. If they were on the brink of bankruptcy, they wouldn’t be buying Gaikai, or investing in new tech such as Morpheus or the PS4. PS4 will make a net profit, and Sony won’t go bankrupt.
      
      Sony Game, Financial Services, Devices, Music, Mobile Products & Communications, and Pictures are all profitable divisions. They aren’t going anywhere, sorry.
      
      Sony’s market cap is 18.65 billion as of today (2014).
      Market cap in 2013 was 17.6 billion it has gone up since then.
      Sony is ranked #80 in world as the most valuable brand 2013.
      
      Sony is ranked #506 in the global 2000
      #87 in Sales
      #171 in Assets
      #547 in Market value
      78.52 billion dollars in sales in 2013
      
      Sony Games Division FY 1995-2013:
      -9+57+117+137+77-51+83+113+68.5+43+9-232-125-58-56+48.5+29+2-8 = 244 billion yen net profit
      
      Yes the games division is still a NET PROFIT even after the PS3 losses, PS1 and PS2 were just that successful.
      
      Sony still has over 18 billion in cash reserves, the loss they have is large no doubt about this, was already set aside in restructuring costs, by doing this now they are going to be saving in over 1 billion in costs! This takes time, and in that time if Sony did not do what the board has done it would have been far worse, over 2 billion in further losses.
      
      The point is playstation stock is not for public buy in. Sony has over 148 billion in physical assets, sony could indeed liquidate every thing except for smart phones, entertainment and playstation and still have paid off debt, and still have 18 billion on hand to invest back into the three core pillars of the company.
      - xHDx
        
        Thanks for the statistics and all but it still doesn’t make much difference. So you are trying to say Sony hasn’t been growing worse over the years lol? I’m not saying I want them to go bankrupt…. it’s the fact that they’ve left it to a very bad time to do something about it. Surely they could have sorted more of this out when they were able to I.e a few years ago.
        
        Also if you want to go with the fanboy argument, you can. I owned a Playstation up until the midst of PS3 before I started laughing at Sony. The other side, to me, is a lot better.
        
        Not_true
        
        Sony has several profitable divisions. They’re cutting out the losing ones (TV, PC, some Sony stores, etc.) and should come out a leaner company making a small but decent profit.
        
        They won’t be a big empire again but they’re far from bankrupt at the moment. The games division is making a lot of money off PS4 and 1st parties are well funded to make lots of games just like the PS3 got.
        
        xHDx
        
        Lets hope because for every PS4 sold, they lose $60 due to price sold vs build cost. It might not sound much but it is if you think of the millions of sales. It’s the subscriptions, Digital games and DLC that’s making the money.
        
        Not_true
        
        Actually Kaz Hirai claimed they are making a profit on each PS4 sold two months ago.
        
        http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/05/22/kaz-hirai-the-ps4-is-already-profitable-with-hardware-alone/
        
        All 3 consoles have good games and have their pluses and minuses. It’s only fanboys mindlessly trashing one or the other. Xbox will get a sales recovery eventually, no need to trash Sony.
        
        xHDx
        
        I wasn’t trying to trash Sony, I was giving a perfect explanation as to why they may have teamed up with Bunjie. There are tons of resources who claim what I claimed but I don’t know which one is right.
  - http://www.showtimeforfree.com/ miDnIghtEr20C
    
    Original Xbox had the graphics advantage the whole time over the PS2. Seems like people enjoyed playing fun games over just graphics.
    - Not_true
      
      This gen the most powerful console is also the cheapest, with a more global brand name and better PR. Not the same thing.
      - http://MP1st.com Denny Kovacs
        
        You write that comment as if what you say is fact, when it is indeed just subjective.
        
        Not_true
        
        I’m pointing out that PS4 isn’t just selling because it’s the more powerful console.
        
        http://MP1st.com Denny Kovacs
        
        People are buying the PS4 because it’s marginally more powerful and was cheaper to begin with. Your list of better PR and brand name can be said about Microsoft as well.
        
        The PlayStation isn’t infinitely better than the Xbox One, lots of services on both sides are better than each other.
        
        Not_true
        
        Playstation is a stronger global brand with consumers, Xbox is mostly popular in the USA. That’s a fact.
        
        If you don’t think Xbox has a PR problem since the DRM reveal, you haven’t been paying much attention.
        
        http://MP1st.com Denny Kovacs
        
        Considering that I write for this site constantly I’m pretty confident in saying that I do pay attention, and since the DRM reveal, they have indeed back tracked, but in the favor of gamers. Not sure how that’s a problem, I call that a solution.
        
        Your fact isn’t entirely based on some equal grounds though, as you imply. As it was with last gen and the gen before that, Xbox and PlayStation would be at the same level had Microsoft launched in as many countries as Sony had.
        
        Not_true
        
        Xbox still has a PR problem with consumers even after the 180s. It’s going to take a while for that to clear out. Not everyone is eager to forgive and forget.
        
        The 13 countries XB1 already launched in account for 85-90% of 360 total sales. Tier 2 countries will do very little for Xbox sales (an extra 5-10% per month at most). PS4 will outsell Xbox in September globally like every other month.
        
        Unless PS4 royally screws up it has 1st place secured this gen. XB1 should worry about outselling Wii U’s total first before thinking about PS4 that has a 1.8:1 global lead on it.
        
        http://www.showtimeforfree.com/ miDnIghtEr20C
        
        The people having the problems with their PR seem to be Sony fans. They’ve completely changed their tune since last E3. There are some who have no plans to ever buy an Xbox though that still act as if the PR is a problem. The only problem is with the Sony fans.
        
        People are buying X1’s And imagine that, the price gets dropped to 399 for the other sku and now people are buying it. You make the X1 with Kinect 2.0 and sell it at 299 and watch the sales fly by the PS4’s. People care about price. Ya, the PS4 is stronger. But people want that price point. Nobody wants to be told to get a second job just to get a new console. Which in a way, coming out at 499, that’s what MS did this gen.
        
        But now look… they drop kinect from a sku.. they drop price for a sku… they have all sorts of exclusive games come out.. yet some fanboys are still crying out about DRM talk in a 2013 E3.
        
        Not_true
        
        Bad PR doesn’t clear out that easily, and it’s not “Sony fans”.
        
        “Sales fly by the PS4” LOL no. PS4 is going to outsell Xbox globally pretty much every month. The $400 SKU did very little for Xbox sales.
        
        You’re in delusion and denial about XB1’s bad PR and its sales situation.
        
        I have both PS3 and 360 and enjoy both. Any console gamer has both a PS3 and 360 by now, they’ve been very inexpensive for years now.
    - Guest
      
      Xbox came out later then ps2, a year later…
      - http://www.showtimeforfree.com/ miDnIghtEr20C
        
        So. Everyone now is so hardcore needing the best tech console, they would of bought an original Xbox then. Unless.. GASP… they were enjoying their PS2 versions of the weaker games. I know I was. PS2 all the way.
- Jonah Thrillz
  
  Halo is great for Xbox but let’s not kid ourselves over how big a franchise it may be. Halo isn’t bigger than CoD, BF, GTA, etc…
  Bungie was bored of doing only Halo and wanted a franchise that was on more than one system.
- Mike
  
  Your jealousy is showing.
  - xHDx
    
    Jealousy? I hate PS. Since I sold my PS3 years ago, I’ve never had a new one since. Just don’t like it. Prefer XB by far.
Mike

This whole thing is BULL because when we PS4 guys didnt get Titanfall did we mail them saying “Sniff Sniff why do you hate us!?”. PS4 guys finally get exclusive content and Xbox people cant handle it. Xbox gets CoD content early, (no one actually cares though) and Battlefield content. I think it does tell us a lot about the Xbox One community though! hehe
- Just saying
  
  I was thinking about the same thing. Xbox users are just talking about the 1 year exclusivity deal without talking about exclusivity as a whole to get rid of.
- AL
  
  Titanfall is not exclusive content it’s an exclusive game. If destiny was a ps4 exclusive title, this discussion would not be happening. This conversation is happening because a game that is multi-platform is being more or less treated as an exclusive version of the game that includes more content for the same price.
  
  It’s like if The next cod releases and ps4 users get 10 maps and xb1 users get 15 because MS paid for it. It’s not fair to pay the same amount for a game to get less content, nor should it happen.
  
  If that doesn’t sound concerning to you then fine, but it does to me and obviously others.
- Jonah Thrillz
  
  It speaks volumes of the maturity of XBone owners. Even last gen you can tell most Xbox360 owners were prepubescent brats swearing every chance they get on XBL voice chats.
  
  Frankly not surprised at all the crying from these kids.
xchaser

To me the reason that destiny is exclusive to PS4 for that years is not Bungie’s fault, it’s a business decision by Activation and Sony, and Bungie is caught in the middle.
Bryan P

It’s a timed exclusive… have patience people its not a big deal….
Will Hamlett

Yea…I don’t buy the argument of not getting what comes down to being a first party game on the other machines worse than what Xbox players are getting with Destiny…honestly I wish people would stop saying that. It’s really stupid….You don’t see Xbox players saying “well we didn’t get Rachet and Clank”; when they mention Sunset Overdrive…and if they do shame on them….at least Insomniac didn’t bother to make a game for the other console and toss most of the meat to one side. Don’t get me wrong I only have a PS4, but I have friends who own XB1 and I don’t blame them for being pissed. Not really Bungies fault, I’m sure Andy K. and Activision’s prints are all over this deal. Yea but please with the F@@king we didn’t get Halo…you weren’t supposed to…they were a first party working under MS….first party games stay at home…period….and I think the issue is really the whole paying the same price for DLC and getting less (for a year!) that is grinding peoples gears. Even with COD you got the DLC the same damn year and the same DLC no less. I can understand the “Day 1” launch content being exclusive for a year…but every damn DLC…that shit is stupid as hell…Anyway XB1 owners…I totally understand…..
TheEmissary

Timed exclusivity deals are horrible in general for the end user. Players on the other platforms are paying the same amount for the game but getting less for a period of time. It doesn’t benefit any one but the console manufacturer that wants to create an artificial difference that shouldn’t even be there to begin with.

I play games on PC and number of different consoles (360/Wii/PS4) and the practice annoys me greatly. On PC I was annoyed that the DLC for BF was delayed a couple weeks to a couple months in the case with a BF4 expansion. PC gamers know how it feels to have a game series go multiplatform and get the raw end of the deal.
Cole.

They hate pc :* (
Just saying

I see a lot of gamers are taking console sides without thinking as just a gamer. We need to be against exclusivity as a concept not against the length of exclusivity. Some guys are saying it’s ok to get a 30 days timed exclusive but not more!!!!! Why not more? You already accepted the concept so deal with it. If we want this to go then we have to be against it, even if it’s a 1 day exclusivity deal. I’m against exclusivity as a whole and I’m PS user but on the other side, I see Xbox users complaining about the 1 year exclusivity while, at the same time, justifying the 30 days exclusivity deals they get in CoD or the 3rd party timed exclusive games they get or the DLCs they got exclusive for 6 months to 1 year early than PS users in the past. If Xbox users keep on justifying their side of exclusivity deals then I’ll do the same and justify the 1 year exclusivity deal. We all have to be against this as gamers and forget about our consoles.
- Fernando
  
  I agree with everything you said, but I can’t help being shocked about how much apparently means to the gamer community to have access to a certain game or dlc content, let alone about timed access…
  
  Its beyond reason! You people talk like its a really big deal if you can’t play a game on your platform of choice, almost like an addict would talk about when he will be able to get the next shot.
  
  No wonder the gaming companies make good use of that passion and use it against you in order to lure you into buying one platform or other to the extreme that even timed exclusivities can make a big change into what platform to choose!!!
  
  Amazing…. I think the only ones to blame are the passionate people that react to their lures… If no one cared exclusivities wouldn’t even exist.
  - Just saying
    
    To some ppl, time exclusivity might not be something they care about as they only play the base game and move on. I think the point some Xbox users are making that I agree with is that after a whole 1 year, what makes Activision so confident that Xbox users will be playing the game to try these new stuff? I would’ve accepted seeing these things get a PS only exclusivity because I don’t see myself nor see Xbox users playing a game for 1 year and still care about it! But still we are complaining about the length here and there and ignoring the core of the problem you agreed with me on which is the concept as a whole.
  - Russell Barlow
    
    Because leaving a poorly written half-thought out tongue in cheek comment on Disqus about the perceived value of a product (or lack thereof) is the mark of an “extreme addict addicted immature man-baby that is unable to resist the pusher-man’s lure”.
    
    You’re putting way too much effort into this.
    - Fernando
      
      That’s my point… I don’t understand why people get so melodramatic about it.
      Xbox users complain as if they had a constitutional right to get the same deal as Ps4 owners.
      Sony paid Activision to get a perk for its clients, Microsoft didn’t.
      Therefore its not unfair if they get a worse deal.
      And if anything they should be angry at Microsoft for not getting something similar for them instead of blaming Bungie.
http://geekthem.com/ Zunair Butt

Check out the new patch for destiny beta, old alpha is not functional now..
http://geekthem.com/destiny-beta-need-fresh-download/
Adri Ramzan

I honestly don’t care about the beta, what fusses me most, is xbox players pay the same amount for the expansion pass and get less. That’s what bugs me, it’s business but it’s unethical to cheat people of money. Otherwise I don’t care, it’s going to be an epic game.
Devin Thayer

I would say that was a bs pc answer screw bungie. They are drinking their own koolaid now.
Cloud Flash

At least they get the game at all.
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DamnSkippy

so basically the answer was no answer
Popopo

Mr Deej Dague gets a direct question: and the answer he gives is so ludicrous. He thinks the world is made out of guardians instead of someone just playing a fps for fun. He continues, we see Bungie fans but he continues with a smart ass remark off humbleness, (that may be assuming to much). It’s a friendly way to say i don’t care that you are a fan of the previous Halo serie. In a way don’t taking any responsability for all those million of people who made Halo and Bungie big. Mr D lost me with embracing many platform, the little bag of S%#t, doesn’t even has the balls to mention the biggest platform the PC. Quote: What we would tell you is that, if you want to explore the world of Destiny. It was built with you in mind. We makes games here at Bungie. We LOVE the people who play them equally. Bungie loves money and not people. This is written by a PS4 user with a sympathetic mind for every gamer out there.
Ryan Hiemenz

Bungie is just basically handling 2 games at once. Both happen to be Destiny. As they are releasing the content for it on Playstation systems, they get one surge of money, and then after that surge of money is over, they release it on Xbox to continue the surge. This makes it maintainable for them to keep working on other updates, projects, and even games, while in the meantime making money reliably.

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