In today’s Xbox Business Update event, Xbox boss Phil Spencer confirmed a few things: the first one is that yes, there are Xbox games coming to other consoles (PS5, Switch).

However, Spencer didn’t want to name the games, but did clarify that the four games don’t include Starfield or Indiana Jones and The Great Circle — both titles rumored to be PS5-bound according to earlier murmurings. While Spencer won’t name the games, he did hint that two are community-driven games, and the other two are smaller titles.

Per The Verge’s sources, they are pointing to the first two titles as Hi-Fi Rush and Pentiment, and the other two as Sea of Thieves and Grounded. Note that while Microsoft only confirmed four Xbox games are coming to other platforms, this doesn’t mean that they are stopping there. Also, even if Starfield has been confirmed to not be part of the first four games, that doesn’t mean it won’t be released at a later date.

You can watch the entire presentation below.

We’ll have more on the Xbox Business Update within the day, as we break down more of what Spencer shared on the show.